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sepefeets
#733 Posted : Friday, September 9, 2016 10:12:57 PM(UTC)

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bobsmith9999;41084 wrote:
@Dre - Does SF know how to use Silence on friendly minions?

Example: Dropping Eerie Statue and then dropping Spellbreaker so Eerie Statue can attack. Or, dropping Barnes, and then Spellbreaker to silence the summon to return it to normal size.

Thanks!

I don't know why you're asking him... Yes but it has to be added on a case by case basis. Pretty much any old cards that you would want to silence will be but newer ones probably won't since silence effects have almost totally died off. I haven't seen barnes used at all this way, everyone is using it for strong deathrattles or effects.
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#735 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 5:48:59 AM(UTC)

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mary7;41085 wrote:
concede with lethal in hand
Doomhammer + Rockbiter Weapon + Lava Burst
10 mana agaist 13 hp
set concedeOnBadBoard = false
realy sad bot not bad play with concedeOnBoardValue = -750 and im think about -600 but he miss


Dont use conceed at all.

bobsmith9999;41084 wrote:
@Dre - Does SF know how to use Silence on friendly minions?

Example: Dropping Eerie Statue and then dropping Spellbreaker so Eerie Statue can attack. Or, dropping Barnes, and then Spellbreaker to silence the summon to return it to normal size.

Thanks!


As sepe allready said - all AI handling is done by Sepe not me. I have a very small role in this and that is just making some files for some decks. The AI handles all the plays. The files i make just handle the mulligan (what cards to keep) and some combo's to push plays for specific decks. All credits for Sepe's awsome work for the AI itself.
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#736 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:50:07 AM(UTC)
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Hey all,

I havent played in while. anyone can tell me what's currently the best deck to climb highest in standard? A link to the deck and settings would be very nice.

thanks very much!
mary7
#737 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 8:22:24 AM(UTC)
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new top shaman,
i see 5 new cadrs and finley out,
azure drake draw or spell? thalnos about 3 cards (azure fk)
i see free 3 cards

concede option very good, use SF concede hope see fix =)
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#738 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:05:45 AM(UTC)

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mary7;41099 wrote:
new top shaman

concede option very good, use SF concede hope see fix =)


If you want to rank don't conceed -> Oponent might miss leathal when the bot sees it. So the bot will conceed because he sees oponent's leathal. But he might have missed it playing against you.



Ok guys so the new meta-snapshot is out, based on my personal experience i will personaly upgrading my hunter slightltowards hybrid. Since i have the highest hopes for it in combination with the bot.
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#739 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:12:01 AM(UTC)
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concede saves time
im like that but have missplay
Dre;41101 wrote:
If you want to rank don't conceed -> Oponent might miss leathal when the bot sees it. So the bot will conceed because he sees oponent's leathal. But he might have missed it playing against you.

no, i have lethal and miss

can you explained new cards and bump project 5
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#740 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:11:56 AM(UTC)

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The whole project is pretty good and don't expect to much.
58.8% Winrate with Dre's midrange hunter deck and files.Not bad.
result
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#741 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:27:44 AM(UTC)

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The meta seem change a bit for me.There are more and more druid now.
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#742 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:59:59 PM(UTC)
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charis2324;41105 wrote:
The meta seem change a bit for me.There are more and more druid now.

hunt 10% zoo 8% druid 6.7%
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#743 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 4:19:51 PM(UTC)

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The ranks are very weird, I still can't figure it out

For a week the bot was around 45-50% from ranks 15-12, then today it went 80% win rate over 30 games and climbed to rank 8, and still going strong. This is the old version of Standard Midrange Hunter, before updates

Rank 5 is top 2%, it boggles my mind that an old deck that is using zero new cards can get to the top 2% being run by a bot

But, I'm thankful to get there and then try to push out Legend, lol

I will test any new decks as needed after the Tier List was updated a few days ago
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#744 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 6:51:50 PM(UTC)

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To awser a few of the above.

Yes Hunter (even my old midrange hunter) is going strong again. Meta seem to settle a bit. I'am working on a new version now 58% to rank 8 atm and gaining. Will post new files in probably tomorrow. The changes in the deck curently are:

-2x Flame Juggler +2x Kindly grandmother
-1x Carrion Cub + 1x (extra) Deadly shot
-1x Thundra Rhino + 1x Barnes
-1x Stampeding kodo + 1x Ragnaros (tech card)

The Rag can be replaced by any other strong deathrattle or effect card like sylvana's / Cairne or a tech card of your choise. I allready had Barnes pull out a 1/1 rag though. that 8 damage on turn 4 is massive. Currnly adjusting combo and mulligan for the above changes

@mary7 Again - conceed saves a little time but risk's unnessesairy losses. conceed is nice to get fast games for grinding, but if you want to reach rank 5, turn it off. When you have a misplay like missing leathal please post your full log (fround in Hearthranger/silverfish/silverlogs folder) uploaded to like pastebin and post it with explanation in the silverfish forum. This forum is not to fix misplays.
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#747 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 8:18:58 PM(UTC)
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Dre;41109 wrote:
I'am working on a new version now 58% to rank 8 atm and gaining. Will post new files in probably tomorrow. The changes in the deck curently are:

-2x Flame Juggler +2x Kindly grandmother
-1x Carrion Cub + 1x (extra) Deadly shot
-1x Thundra Rhino + 1x Barnes
-1x Stampeding kodo + 1x Ragnaros (tech card)


Waiting for it a lot, thx man.
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#746 Posted : Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:34:22 PM(UTC)

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Dre;41109 wrote:
To awser a few of the above.

Yes Hunter (even my old midrange hunter) is going strong again. Meta seem to settle a bit. I'am working on a new version now 58% to rank 8 atm and gaining. Will post new files in probably tomorrow. The changes in the deck curently are:

-2x Flame Juggler +2x Kindly grandmother
-1x Carrion Cub + 1x (extra) Deadly shot
-1x Thundra Rhino + 1x Barnes
-1x Stampeding kodo + 1x Ragnaros (tech card)

The Rag can be replaced by any other strong deathrattle or effect card like sylvana's / Cairne or a tech card of your choise. I allready had Barnes pull out a 1/1 rag though. that 8 damage on turn 4 is massive. Currnly adjusting combo and mulligan for the above changes

@mary7 Again - conceed saves a little time but risk's unnessesairy losses. conceed is nice to get fast games for grinding, but if you want to reach rank 5, turn it off. When you have a misplay like missing leathal please post your full log (fround in Hearthranger/silverfish/silverlogs folder) uploaded to like pastebin and post it with explanation in the silverfish forum. This forum is not to fix misplays.


waiting, good work bro
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#745 Posted : Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:38:07 AM(UTC)

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Dre;41109 wrote:
To awser a few of the above.

Yes Hunter (even my old midrange hunter) is going strong again. Meta seem to settle a bit. I'am working on a new version now 58% to rank 8 atm and gaining. Will post new files in probably tomorrow. The changes in the deck curently are:

-2x Flame Juggler +2x Kindly grandmother
-1x Carrion Cub + 1x (extra) Deadly shot
-1x Thundra Rhino + 1x Barnes
-1x Stampeding kodo + 1x Ragnaros (tech card)

The Rag can be replaced by any other strong deathrattle or effect card like sylvana's / Cairne or a tech card of your choise. I allready had Barnes pull out a 1/1 rag though. that 8 damage on turn 4 is massive. Currnly adjusting combo and mulligan for the above changes

@mary7 Again - conceed saves a little time but risk's unnessesairy losses. conceed is nice to get fast games for grinding, but if you want to reach rank 5, turn it off. When you have a misplay like missing leathal please post your full log (fround in Hearthranger/silverfish/silverlogs folder) uploaded to like pastebin and post it with explanation in the silverfish forum. This forum is not to fix misplays.


You are the best @Dre, your deck is really strong, a lot of thanks for your work.
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#748 Posted : Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:21:34 AM(UTC)

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New Midrage hunter files

Ok guys I decited to post my updated files, even though i need to do some more testing and maybe some changes. The meta is still unstable although allot better then last week.

Why mid-range hunter?
Checking the meta hunter is sitting in the high tier 2. but is the first deck in the list the bot plays really good. (altough sepe made changes for shaman yesterday so i need to test those) In theory the hybrid version of the hunter is slightly better. But in my experience the bot handles mid-range versions better then the hybrid versions.

card changes to last version (complete decklist in the files)
as said before, these are the changes
-2x Flame Juggler +2x Kindly grandmother (pretty straight forward, change the worst 2-drop in the prev deck with a better one)
-1x Carrion Cub + 1x (extra) Deadly shot (carrion didnt do much only if you got the houndmaster with it, which didnt happen all the time, extra deadly for huge tempo against controll
-1x Stampeding kodo + 1x Barnes (not enough 2 at minions that need kodo at the moment + Barnes is very good with allot of strong Deathrattle minions in here
-1x Thundra Rhino + 1x Ragnaros (tech card see blow)

I like the rag, it won me a couple of games. (i.e. played it on an empty board vs mage with me on 2 health and the mage on 7) Also Barnes al ready put a 1/1 copy on the board on turn 4. But its still a tech card. you can put everything in its place, preferably a strong effect/deathrattle minion like sylvana's but maybe you want to go with a secret (expl./freeze) or place the Rhino back.

Rank, win-rates, and matchup's
Yesterday i started gaining from rank 13 to 8 with 75% winrate. but after that I fought allot of shamans (this deck's nightmare) Iam currently sitting on rank 7. So no rank 5 yet the winrate from 13-7 from last night is 52% but only 27% against shamans. The lowest after is mage 46% and everything else is above 50%.

Files
@ sepe can you update my Mid-range hunter with these files: https://dl.dropboxuserco...%20Midrange%20Hunter.zip
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#749 Posted : Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38:39 AM(UTC)
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thanks for that dre, just trying it out. would you have a link to the complete decklist for the midrange hunter? just wanna make sure, I am having the right version.
thanks - will post my stats very soon!
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#750 Posted : Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:24:23 AM(UTC)

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eldritch;41120 wrote:
thanks for that dre, just trying it out. would you have a link to the complete decklist for the midrange hunter? just wanna make sure, I am having the right version.
thanks - will post my stats very soon!


There is a file called decklist.txt in the files posted, its accualy in the mulligan file aswell :) added a line in the post to refer to the decklist file now
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#752 Posted : Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:25:39 AM(UTC)
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Hey Dre, I've been playing your old midrange hunter for about 450 games with a winrate of 47.3%, it was surprisingly good for the first week usually performing at 50% winrate, then dropping down to 47.3% because of aggro shaman (prob because of the latest tempostorm snapshot). I'm going to test out your new list, thanks for posting dude :).
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#751 Posted : Sunday, September 11, 2016 10:36:47 AM(UTC)
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Dre;41121 wrote:
There is a file called decklist.txt in the files posted, its accualy in the mulligan file aswell :) added a line in the post to refer to the decklist file now

ooops, thanks for switching on the light :-)

13:9 so far (from rank 18 to 15)
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#753 Posted : Sunday, September 11, 2016 11:35:54 AM(UTC)
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From Rank 18-13 (21:10). Looking really solid so far :-)
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