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#559 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 6:52:55 AM(UTC)
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I'm stuck around rank 8-10 with Standard Mid Hunter -Dre XD
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#560 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 8:51:47 AM(UTC)

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The bot might go into recession after the next wing is released. With the power creep Kharazan has created, the matchups will be very difficult to win without technical knowledge. Also, the popular and to be popular decks are so potent against hunter.

btw, dre are you planning to pick up beast druid?
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#561 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 9:34:55 AM(UTC)

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sadpwner;40680 wrote:
The bot might go into recession after the next wing is released. With the power creep Kharazan has created, the matchups will be very difficult to win without technical knowledge. Also, the popular and to be popular decks are strong against hunter.

btw, dre are you planning to pick up beast druid?


When all cards are revealed, tempo-storm will probably do a meta-snapshot. I will then analyse this and focus on the highest tier deck which is good for the bot.

Looking at beast druid right now it's the absolute lowest tier 3 deck. Apart from that i see it's bottable, might need to replace raven idol tho. I have to see how it turns out in the upcomming snapshot. Also I think the card where everyone is waiting for: Menagerie Warden, needs some testing and possible changes in the AI to be optimal. These cards which can be rly powerfull in manual hands, can be quite weak in the bots hands.

Atm iam casualy perfecting Aggro shaman because i expect this deck to be good even after all cards are here. But don't worry - soon i will go all out on making files again and can promise that i will get people to rank 5 next season aswell with a deck.

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#551 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 9:59:35 AM(UTC)

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Dre;40678 wrote:
"If your deck has achieved rank 10 but you don't have mulligans/combos/settings then you may ask for help creating them, but do not ask before then"



I got to rank 9 with pirate warrior last month.

I guess my question is how do I set up the rule so that the bot would only use bloodsail cultist when I have a pirate and weapon on board?

Too many times it just plays it by itself and misses the combo.
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#556 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 10:08:32 AM(UTC)

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mrgodai;40682 wrote:
I got to rank 9 with pirate warrior last month.

I guess my question is how do I set up the rule so that the bot would only use bloodsail cultist when I have a pirate and weapon on board?

Too many times it just plays it by itself and misses the combo.


Ah ok, got some luck this month aswell? If you post the deck i can make a very basic and quick mulligan for you if you want. But for what you ask you need to increase the cardvalue of bloodsail cultist. In my guide I explain how to do this: http://www.hearthranger....tom-files-and-more.aspx But you need logs where it is played when you didnt want it to be played. If you provide logs i can help you. But please make a new topic about this all if you want it so it doesnt get messy here. Ill react there if you make a post with logs and all.

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#552 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 3:19:23 PM(UTC)

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mrgodai;40682 wrote:
I got to rank 9 with pirate warrior last month.

I guess my question is how do I set up the rule so that the bot would only use bloodsail cultist when I have a pirate and weapon on board?

Too many times it just plays it by itself and misses the combo.

This is the sort of thing that needs to be fixed in SF with misplay logs in SF thread.

As a general rule if it is something that every deck with the card would want to do then it should be fixed in SF and if it's something that only some decks would want to do or micro-optimizations for when a card is played too early/late then it should be fixed with combo/cardvalue.

@Dre - It looks like you added +'s? If so then please don't because it will just get confusing.
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#553 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 4:03:36 PM(UTC)

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sepefeets;40690 wrote:
@Dre - It looks like you added +'s? If so then please don't because it will just get confusing.


Nope I didn't and i would never do that. don't worry. If i edit something it will say "edited by moderator" on the right bottom btw.
But you never have to worry for this. I edited it once to make it more neat (with your permission) but that was just mere formatting.

I think there are just so many +'es that you start to see double xD
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#554 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 4:06:56 PM(UTC)

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Dre;40693 wrote:
I think there are just so many +'es that you start to see double xD

Probably. There's about 5 more than I remember. :D

edit: mod --> see bottom right it says edited by mod.
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#555 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 4:25:17 PM(UTC)

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sepefeets;40695 wrote:
Probably. There's about 5 more than I remember. :D


Tbf it seems about right to me though, i don't see a major increase or something. But I didnt touch it, and only mod's can so u will see the red txt "edited by moderator" Look at your post above this one, i edited it. It will show right away on the right. So iam not guilty xD
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#565 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 5:24:47 PM(UTC)
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Dre;40681 wrote:
When all cards are revealed, tempo-storm will probably do a meta-snapshot. I will then analyse this and focus on the highest tier deck which is good for the bot.

Looking at beast druid right now it's the absolute lowest tier 3 deck. Apart from that i see it's bottable, might need to replace raven idol tho. I have to see how it turns out in the upcomming snapshot. Also I think the card where everyone is waiting for: Menagerie Warden, needs some testing and possible changes in the AI to be optimal. These cards which can be rly powerfull in manual hands, can be quite weak in the bots hands.

Atm iam casualy perfecting Aggro shaman because i expect this deck to be good even after all cards are here. But don't worry - soon i will go all out on making files again and can promise that i will get people to rank 5 next season aswell with a deck.



I got a aggro shaman and mid-range shaman (replacing windlord with ragnoras firelord), and both are stuck around rank 9 this season.

Do you think it's to better wait then? I was gonna make a mid ranger hunter but seeing aggro shaman could be perfected and there might be better botting deck in the coming week.
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#564 Posted : Friday, August 26, 2016 10:45:35 PM(UTC)

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Dre;40681 wrote:
When all cards are revealed, tempo-storm will probably do a meta-snapshot. I will then analyse this and focus on the highest tier deck which is good for the bot.

Looking at beast druid right now it's the absolute lowest tier 3 deck. Apart from that i see it's bottable, might need to replace raven idol tho. I have to see how it turns out in the upcomming snapshot. Also I think the card where everyone is waiting for: Menagerie Warden, needs some testing and possible changes in the AI to be optimal. These cards which can be rly powerfull in manual hands, can be quite weak in the bots hands.

Atm iam casualy perfecting Aggro shaman because i expect this deck to be good even after all cards are here. But don't worry - soon i will go all out on making files again and can promise that i will get people to rank 5 next season aswell with a deck.



Beast druid is like a midrange hunter but with a stronger early to mid game and a weaker late game. Though, the main reason to favor beast druid is its simplicity. You don't really need technical knowledge on the matchup or heavily optimised plays. It's just about making the strongest tempo plays every turn. You don't a high tier deck to reach rank 5. You just need to play correctly, and the simplicity allows such.
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#566 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:22:23 AM(UTC)

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I'm at rank 25 :D

Just a fresh starter... What do you advise to do to build a better deck?

Do you have a good basic deck? I'm using Icy Veins site to get basic decks like this one:

http://www.icy-veins.com...thstone/basic-mage-deck

How do I create good mulligan/combo/settings file? And, is it necessary to create them?
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#567 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:37:07 AM(UTC)
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Kraker01;40704 wrote:
I'm at rank 25 :D

Just a fresh starter... What do you advise to do to build a better deck?

Do you have a good basic deck? I'm using Icy Veins site to get basic decks like this one:

http://www.icy-veins.com...thstone/basic-mage-deck

How do I create good mulligan/combo/settings file? And, is it necessary to create them?


yes that is good and just keep botting that 100 gold aday. buy the solo advantures. open packs. and come back once you have alot of cards. :)
then you can make the decks that are posted here.

good luck
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#571 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 7:51:48 AM(UTC)
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Hello!

Beast druid, cheap and OP deck, would be nice add it to the project. x)

http://www.hearthpwn.com...-beast-druid-big-update
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#569 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 12:23:39 PM(UTC)

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luffyDmonkey;40706 wrote:
yes that is good and just keep botting that 100 gold aday. buy the solo advantures. open packs. and come back once you have alot of cards. :)
then you can make the decks that are posted here.

good luck


Do you think is better buying exp or opening packs before?
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#562 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:22:34 PM(UTC)

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Dre;40681 wrote:
When all cards are revealed, tempo-storm will probably do a meta-snapshot. I will then analyse this and focus on the highest tier deck which is good for the bot.

Looking at beast druid right now it's the absolute lowest tier 3 deck. Apart from that i see it's bottable, might need to replace raven idol tho. I have to see how it turns out in the upcomming snapshot. Also I think the card where everyone is waiting for: Menagerie Warden, needs some testing and possible changes in the AI to be optimal. These cards which can be rly powerfull in manual hands, can be quite weak in the bots hands.

Atm iam casualy perfecting Aggro shaman because i expect this deck to be good even after all cards are here. But don't worry - soon i will go all out on making files again and can promise that i will get people to rank 5 next season aswell with a deck.



How can I start testing new decks on my own? Just go into the current settings and mulligan and combo files and try to figure out the code and then morph it into whatever deck I'm doing?

I.e. - there's probably a line about Houndmaster being saved to work with a beast ---- probably similar logic to how the bot would want to play Warden
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#570 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:28:20 PM(UTC)
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Kraker01;40709 wrote:
Do you think is better buying exp or opening packs before?

exp 4sure
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#572 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:30:16 PM(UTC)
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i hit rank 5 with midrange hunter.
proof: http://imgur.com/a/6B76r
deck: http://www.hearthpwn.com...19358-6-eu-hyena-hunter
used dre's midrange hunter mulligan's

edit: this deck has definitely potentail to be the new bot midrange hunter choise!!!
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#563 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:33:16 PM(UTC)

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carins;40711 wrote:
How can I start testing new decks on my own? Just go into the current settings and mulligan and combo files and try to figure out the code and then morph it into whatever deck I'm doing?


If you don't know how to write the mulligan you can just remove, the mulligan and combo files and let the bot handle eveything itself. (just leave the settings.txt) With no mulligan file the bot will hold like 1-2 drops or a 3 drop if you have a 2-drop (or something like that)

Then just let your deck run and check results. If you are hitting like 15% around rank 15 without files there is NO way I can get it viable, even with the best files possible. I ain't no wizzard. In theory, hence the text in the OP your deck should be hitting rank 10-11 around 2/3 of the season without any files (just settings.txt) Then iam almost certain i can make it a rank 5 deck.
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#573 Posted : Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:46:15 PM(UTC)
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Purify Priest now is very good. Please include it into serious rank ladder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=807vVAjQL84
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