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#593 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:54:36 PM(UTC)
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Could you please make the Zoo Warlock deck also capable of reaching Rank 5 or higher? It really needs some discover file since it always chooses the worst one from three...
What about Dragon Warrior? I mean, I have many legendaries but have to climb with the budget Hunter... (not that it's bad, it's actually extremely powerful).
Anyway, thanks for your good work and my Rank 5 chest! :)
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#594 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:41:39 PM(UTC)
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Dre;40678 wrote:
"If your deck has achieved rank 10 but you don't have mulligans/combos/settings then you may ask for help creating them, but do not ask before then"


anyone could create mulligan/combo for this deck

i got rank 5 with this deck https://imageshack.us/i/plgdORf3p
using this to rank 5 for 3 season

proof https://imageshack.us/i/pnyrDd5Kp

just got free rag from pack this month
sub rag with 1 more selfless hero
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#595 Posted : Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:18:52 PM(UTC)

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@212th - Both those decks have fallen out of meta with kara but things haven't settled yet so they could see a comeback.

@lordnot - That looks similar to the divine shield deck I just removed today from the wild secret pally files (it was called the "n'zoth" deck) because nobody was playing it and there's some known misplays with steward. You can try it with my wild secret pally files and probably just tweak a few things, but it sounds like you're talking about getting it to 5 manually though which has nothing at all to do with how it performs with the bot. I'll probably fix the steward misplays soon but if you're the only one playing a deck then you're really the only one with the info needed to improve it. It helps a lot to run a deck tracker and then look through what happened in games it lost and try to spot misplays that you can fix with combos/cardvalue or if it had a terrible starting hand then see if you can improve the mulligan.
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#596 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:26:40 AM(UTC)

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To anyone asking for decks - there is one more wing in Karazhan, ill sit that out before i start actively working again.

At the moment Aggro-shaman remained the top tier 1 deck troughout all releases of Karazhan cards so far, so its the deck iam refining at the moment. My refined files allready got agro-Shaman to rank 5 about 3 days ago. But i feel i can improve more.

Looking at other decks in the Tier 1 like Yogg Druid / Dragon warrior / Tempo mage. There is not much interesting to bot there. Just to much complex combo's for the tempo-mage. And although Dragon-priest was one of the first succesfull decks long time ago. It;s not so easy for dragon warrior. Dragon warrior was allot more complex cards. I tought Blackoak was making a shot with it. We have to wait results for it.

In tier 2 we see Beast-druid rising as top tier 2 deck atm. Altough i doubts about the deck in the bot. cards like Menagerie warden wont get the value you get when playing manual. and that is a big deal. Same counts for cards like violet teacher. In addition the bot has severe problems with the druid-heropower as it seems. The deck might worth a shot in the bot, but not with the hero-power not working.

Mid-range/Hyrbid Hunter / Midrange shaman stay pretty high with not much changes to my current files. So i expect also next season these files "Dre's Mid-range Hunter" and "Dre's Midrange Shaman" WILL be able to hit rank 5 unchanged for allot of people.

I have a decent zoolock, but it need some testing and adjustment - also its lower valued then the hunter and shaman so it's a low priority for me.

TLDR VERSION:

Predictions next season:

- My mid-range Hunter And mid-range Shaman will still hit rank 5 unchanged.
- Working on refining Agro-shaman since it remains top tier 1 deck
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#597 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:25:20 AM(UTC)
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Im using the mid range hunter and kinda stuck at rank 10 with 48% winrate sadly

sad

look something is wrong against warrior 9-19
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#598 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 8:34:22 AM(UTC)

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secret3;40806 wrote:
Im using the mid range hunter and kinda stuck at rank 10 with 48% winrate sadly

sad

look something is wrong against warrior 9-19


Nothing is wrong with it, warrior is just not a prefered matchup, there is NO single deck (not even manual) which is favoured against EVERY other class. Having said that 48% is enough to climb reach rank 5 - you have to be a bit Lucky sometimes. altough i doubt you will get it this month (just a few hours left).

Next time you are fighting allot of warrior in your rank's meta - i would advice swapping to a deck which is favoured against warriors. Or change a card to fight controll decks better.
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#599 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:20:01 PM(UTC)
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Dre;40807 wrote:
Nothing is wrong with it, warrior is just not a prefered matchup, there is NO single deck (not even manual) which is favoured against EVERY other class. Having said that 48% is enough to climb reach rank 5 - you have to be a bit Lucky sometimes. altough i doubt you will get it this month (just a few hours left).

Next time you are fighting allot of warrior in your rank's meta - i would advice swapping to a deck which is favoured against warriors. Or change a card to fight controll decks better.


Hybrid hunter is pretty good vs dragon warrior, the bot usually have 2:1 win rate and your favored vs sjow's list when you pilot the deck.

From what I could gather so far, hunter would still be strong in next season be it normal midrange or hybrid and face hunter would work too only if the bot was any good at it. Face hunter is kinda in the same boat as aggro shaman so it should work fairly well alltho I havn't had much luck with aggro shaman this season so I havn't tested face hunter out.

This is my list to test for next season which I assume the bot can handle:
-dragon tempo paladin
-beast druid
-dragon priest (come back?)
-dragon warrior

Also here is my latest incarnation of hybrid hunter deck list for anyone is interrested:
- 1 Eagle horn
+1 Unleash
-1 Tundra Rhino
+1 Dire wolf alpha



Edit: Sjow just got rank1 legend with dragon warrior GMT +1 23:35, gz to him.
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#600 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:11:27 PM(UTC)
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My bot got rank 5 today with Dre's Midrange Hunter.
Just tryin' to help with the data collection.
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#601 Posted : Wednesday, August 31, 2016 11:31:10 PM(UTC)

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Got 5 with my wild secret pally. Standard mode has been very unkind to me this month. Several times I would be 1 win away from 5 with aggro shaman or mid hunter (multiple variations of both) and then the next day they would face totally different matchups and tank several ranks and keep tanking, so then I'd switch and find something that would climb 3-4 ranks in a night and then the meta would change again. The new cards don't affect the wild meta nearly as much as they do standard.
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#602 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 2:43:39 AM(UTC)

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sepefeets;40817 wrote:
Got 5 with my wild secret pally. Standard mode has been very unkind to me this month. Several times I would be 1 win away from 5 with aggro shaman or mid hunter (multiple variations of both) and then the next day they would face totally different matchups and tank several ranks and keep tanking, so then I'd switch and find something that would climb 3-4 ranks in a night and then the meta would change again. The new cards don't affect the wild meta nearly as much as they do standard.


I think Wild will always be Secret-paladin 24/7 no matter which cards they put in the game lol xD

Yesterday on the first day of the season i went from rank 17 to rank 11 with about 52% winrate on my modified agro-shaman. will read all my logs today and improve it more. Winrate against Warrior was really low though
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Dre;40818 wrote:
I think Wild will always be Secret-paladin 24/7 no matter which cards they put in the game lol xD

Yesterday on the first day of the season i went from rank 17 to rank 11 with about 52% winrate on my modified agro-shaman. will read all my logs today and improve it more. Winrate against Warrior was really low though

Probably, secret eater can't keep me down!

I had to manually play aggro shaman to get my other account rank 5 just in the nick of time with something like 10-2 win rate, it was quite dumb. :D
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#611 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 4:37:18 AM(UTC)

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The OP will now only list decks that have achieved rank 5 in the current or last seasons and only up to 5 +'s for each deck in the current season to keep the list cleaner. Old decks that are stuck around rank 10 but could see a comeback with a meta shift or a few changes will stay in the github files but not the OP.
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#609 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 5:29:23 AM(UTC)

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sepefeets;40821 wrote:
Probably, secret eater can't keep me down!

I had to manually play aggro shaman to get my other account rank 5 just in the nick of time with something like 10-2 win rate, it was quite dumb. :D


Can u give me a tip / hint to get the logs analysed ? got atm the same wr and im on 12 near to 11 with a new hunter deck but im not sure how i can improve it ...

all i got is your old combo file and i did a small mulligan for the 1 + 2 drops but i want to get that deck a little better i think it can be really strong, the same put me last season on rank 3++, and its still a little faster mid-range deck so the bot hasn't to know what the enemy has on his hand or could have... like in the aggro decks :)

well may u have some tipps

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#610 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 5:40:27 AM(UTC)

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rffc;40826 wrote:
Can u give me a tip / hint to get the logs analysed ? got atm the same wr and im on 12 near to 11 with a new hunter deck but im not sure how i can improve it ...

all i got is your old combo file and i did a small mulligan for the 1 + 2 drops but i want to get that deck a little better i think it can be really strong, the same put me last season on rank 3++, and its still a little faster mid-range deck so the bot hasn't to know what the enemy has on his hand or could have... like in the aggro decks :)

well may u have some tipps

regards


I think when you just read slowly trough the logs its just normal to read.

It says what mana you have, which cards are on the board and in your hand. when per mana it will show his actions like: Playcard A or attackwithminion A to which enemy B etc. pretty straightforward. But if there are more request for it i will write a guide for it ofcourse.
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#603 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 6:35:05 AM(UTC)
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Dre;40818 wrote:
Yesterday on the first day of the season i went from rank 17 to rank 11 with about 52% winrate on my modified agro-shaman. will read all my logs today and improve it more. Winrate against Warrior was really low though

So can I start climbing with your Aggro Shaman right now or does it require some changes?
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#604 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 7:18:37 AM(UTC)
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212th;40829 wrote:
So can I start climbing with your Aggro Shaman right now or does it require some changes?



Well you can start with it. You can at least climb to around rank 10 and if there will be some updates, you can change them for the climb to rank 5 :).

I already reached rank 8 with Dre's last season midrangehunter :)
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#605 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 7:28:20 AM(UTC)
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Cloud;40830 wrote:
Well you can start with it. You can at least climb to around rank 10 and if there will be some updates, you can change them for the climb to rank 5 :).

I already reached rank 8 with Dre's last season midrangehunter :)


Yeah, but it can reach rank 10 with Dre's Hunter, and I need rank 5 and more :))
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#606 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 7:30:58 AM(UTC)

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212th;40831 wrote:
Yeah, but it can reach rank 10 with Dre's Hunter, and I need rank 5 and more :))


I will probably post the updated agro-shaman in 2-3 days. You can try the decks in the OP now.
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#612 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 7:40:08 AM(UTC)
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I'm testing out the new hybrid hunter as we speak, thank you for the contribution sepefeets and Dre. I will post results after the first week.
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#607 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 7:48:08 AM(UTC)
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Dre;40832 wrote:
I will probably post the updated agro-shaman in 2-3 days.


Thanks! Looking forward to it :)
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