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#613 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:09:01 PM(UTC)
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uwotm8t;40833 wrote:
I'm testing out the new hybrid hunter as we speak, thank you for the contribution sepefeets and Dre. I will post results after the first week.

If your talking about Eloise midrange/hybrid hunter then I can assure you it works almost the same as my current deck, I had a similar deck to hers with Barnes too but found him too slow for Asia server meta so I had to replace him with an Argent Squire.

Currently I'm running 2 hybrid hunter decks, one which is posted here in the thread and 2nd one which is similar to Eloise deck except I have Argent Squire instead of Argent Crusader, atm my deck is at rank 15 EU so I'm switching to another account with Eloise hybrid to see how it faires. I'll keep you guys updated but I don't think it can reach rank 10 this week... unless I do some tweaking, well Dre gave me the idea that I should use some of his genius combo files from the updated midrange hunter to all other decks. That's one sneaky update you did there! but it's so cool at the sametime.

I'll keep you guys updated next week on my hunter adventure.


The reasoning behind hybrid hunter:


PS. Current Brian Kibler's Dragon pala is pretty bad, getting rekt left and right by priest or aggro/tempo decks.
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#614 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:28:32 PM(UTC)

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If your talking about Eloise midrange/hybrid hunter then I can assure you it works almost the same as my current deck, I had a similar deck to hers with Barnes too but found him too slow for Asia server meta so I had to replace him with an Argent Squire.

Currently I'm running 2 hybrid hunter decks, one which is posted here in the thread and 2nd one which is similar to Eloise deck except I have Argent Squire instead of Argent Crusader, atm my deck is at rank 15 EU so I'm switching to another account with Eloise hybrid to see how it faires. I'll keep you guys updated but I don't think it can reach rank 10 this week... unless I do some tweaking, well Dre gave me the idea that I should use some of his genius combo files from the updated midrange hunter to all other decks. That's one sneaky update you did there! but it's so cool at the sametime.

I'll keep you guys updated next week on my hunter adventure.


The reasoning behind hybrid hunter:


Nice that you try this out mate - This hybrid hunter: https://tempostorm.com/h...snapshot-august-30-2016 is currently pretty high in Tier 2 aswell. So it could be realy good.
Tough iam not sure which sneaky update you are refering too hehe but thanks for calling it genius, don't think it genius myself tough i just analyse, test and adjust and analyse again xD But i think you can use allot of the same values for the hybrid indeed.
However i got 52% wr with the agro-shaman, when scrolling trough the logs i did some tweaks here and there but most of the misplays we're not fixable. Posted them on the silverfish tread but sepe has to look into it, and he has a big pile of work :) So dunno where it will bring us this season. I will do some more days of testing. IF anyone want to test with me, ill post my files here (dont add this to giftub yet sepe) so:

For testing purposes: https://dl.dropboxuserco...Aggro%20Shaman%20V2.zip The latest files for my agro-shaman. Ill probably check 2 more days if its reasonable to get to rank 5. If not i will temponairy switch to another deck (maybe dragon warrior after all) and give sepe his time to look into my reports for agro-shaman
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#620 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 12:46:41 PM(UTC)
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// Cardvalue Astral Communion (AT_043)
cardvalue:AT_043,500

dat above line right there, should be included in all combo files due to the fact I've witnessed the bot playing it off the spellslinger, needless to say the bot lost that game.

Regarding Jab's hybrid hunter, freezing trap is cool vs aggro shams and ctrl priest(wth all priest are ctrl) but it's kinda useless against mirror/board flood type of decks so I'm on the fence about it, tried some last season with Cloakedhunter and I did not like the outcome at all mainly cause bot doesn't understand they can play secrets for free when cloakedhunter is on the board but again Freezing trap alone is pretty solid when I think about it.

Edit: I just played vs dre aggro shaman and lost as hybrid hunter :( bot is stronk
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#619 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 1:30:09 PM(UTC)

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Dre;40845 wrote:
Nice that you try this out mate - This hybrid hunter: https://tempostorm.com/h...snapshot-august-30-2016 is currently pretty high in Tier 2 aswell. So it could be realy good.
Tough iam not sure which sneaky update you are refering too hehe but thanks for calling it genius, don't think it genius myself tough i just analyse, test and adjust and analyse again xD But i think you can use allot of the same values for the hybrid indeed.
However i got 52% wr with the agro-shaman, when scrolling trough the logs i did some tweaks here and there but most of the misplays we're not fixable. Posted them on the silverfish tread but sepe has to look into it, and he has a big pile of work :) So dunno where it will bring us this season. I will do some more days of testing. IF anyone want to test with me, ill post my files here (dont add this to giftub yet sepe) so:

For testing purposes: https://dl.dropboxuserco...Aggro%20Shaman%20V2.zip The latest files for my agro-shaman. Ill probably check 2 more days if its reasonable to get to rank 5. If not i will temponairy switch to another deck (maybe dragon warrior after all) and give sepe his time to look into my reports for agro-shaman



Haha,
this is the deck im doin atm but with
-1 freezing
- 1 fiery bat
+ argent horse
+ 1 houndmaster

tested near all the decks out there eloise's, thijs, and so on...

one deck i didnt test and its rly strong is the one from opex alex, with Sylvana and Ragnaros, cause i dont have this cards atm. (and he went on rank 5 there today rly fast)

as i told rank 3 last season with it and after hittin 3 i did follow up by plaing by my self so i have only the last 2-3 days tested on it and today its on 12

did about 50 games with the freezing trap but the bot didnt play it well just and not at the best moments

and ye also tried some with aggro last season and as i told or better said i wrote for a while in the silver fish threads to get the aggro decks running the bot needs to get his "playaround" function up to date, thats why i stopped trying aggro decks ... with mid the bot dont need to know...

i rly love aggro shaman :) 2 times top 300 endseason selfplay but i think its not possible to get the bot playin it well till the "playaround" isnt fixed.
and there are a lot of tricks the bot needs to know to play around for instance never play an unsafe faceless.. all the time u got trade-trade-deadly shot for instance or all that sh**

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#624 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 1:41:59 PM(UTC)
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So right now the best performing deck for the bot is hybrid hunter with Abusive, Squire, Horserider, etc? Or Dre's hunter?
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#625 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 1:48:40 PM(UTC)

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212th;40848 wrote:
So right now the best performing deck for the bot is hybrid hunter with Abusive, Squire, Horserider, etc? Or Dre's hunter?


My midrange hunter has a rank 8 report on the first day, my aggro shaman is currently on rank 10. I think those are the highest reports right now. But try something. Maybe a whole new deck without any rules and report that. Maybe you let the bot run a day without files with a dragon warrior (for example) if the wr is like 40% if gives us allot of information. Its day one - 30 more days to go xD
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#626 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 1:49:49 PM(UTC)

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ah right and what i did forget i think tomorrow the ppl are going to play more control cause of the new wing and the 5 leg cards is imho only viable with a big control deck (and ye the people alle want to try this sh** card :) ) and so the aggro shaman will get again a little more unviable.

and hearthstone is and will always be like "scissors stone paper"

Aggro beats MidRange
MidRange beats Control
Control beats Aggro

:)

well

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#621 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 1:50:08 PM(UTC)

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er009;40846 wrote:
// Cardvalue Astral Communion (AT_043)
cardvalue:AT_043,500

dat above line right there, should be included in all combo files due to the fact I've witnessed the bot playing it off the spellslinger, needless to say the bot lost that game.

Regarding Jab's hybrid hunter, freezing trap is cool vs aggro shams and ctrl priest(wth all priest are ctrl) but it's kinda useless against mirror/board flood type of decks so I'm on the fence about it, tried some last season with Cloakedhunter and I did not like the outcome at all mainly cause bot doesn't understand they can play secrets for free when cloakedhunter is on the board but again Freezing trap alone is pretty solid when I think about it.

Edit: I just played vs dre aggro shaman and lost as hybrid hunter :( bot is stronk


Haha yeah the Astral Communion. hehe it screwed me over once, never again :) My winrate with the aggro shaman yday against hunter was 65%. So the more hunters the better for me xD
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Dre;40845 wrote:
Nice that you try this out mate - This hybrid hunter: https://tempostorm.com/h...snapshot-august-30-2016 is currently pretty high in Tier 2 aswell. So it could be realy good.
Tough iam not sure which sneaky update you are refering too hehe but thanks for calling it genius, don't think it genius myself tough i just analyse, test and adjust and analyse again xD But i think you can use allot of the same values for the hybrid indeed.
However i got 52% wr with the agro-shaman, when scrolling trough the logs i did some tweaks here and there but most of the misplays we're not fixable. Posted them on the silverfish tread but sepe has to look into it, and he has a big pile of work :) So dunno where it will bring us this season. I will do some more days of testing. IF anyone want to test with me, ill post my files here (dont add this to giftub yet sepe) so:

For testing purposes: https://dl.dropboxuserco...Aggro%20Shaman%20V2.zip The latest files for my agro-shaman. Ill probably check 2 more days if its reasonable to get to rank 5. If not i will temponairy switch to another deck (maybe dragon warrior after all) and give sepe his time to look into my reports for agro-shaman


deck rules rush or default?
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deck rules rush or default?


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#627 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 3:07:34 PM(UTC)
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Reached best Rank 7 ... and finish yesterday with Rank 11.

I think the meta is changeing to fast at the moment for Rank 5.
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fkeh;40852 wrote:
deck rules rush or default?


Deckrules default or rush DOES NOT affect silverfish AI at all.

Doomdevil;40854 wrote:
Reached best Rank 7 ... and finish yesterday with Rank 11.

I think the meta is changeing to fast at the moment for Rank 5.


What deck, files, time and winrate? - Also reaching rank 7 in the first day of the season is rly good. Even the pro's are still rank 10


Also guys after 2 months of not touching my mid-range hunter (iam just glad it still works) user rffc accualy found a code-mistake, had the wrong card ID for bow on 2 rules.

@sepe, can you replace the _mulligan.txt for my midrange hunter with this: https://dl.dropboxuserco...e%20Hunter/_mulligan.txt
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#628 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 4:00:57 PM(UTC)
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Hey guys, just wanted to post the statistics with Hybrid Hunter, I did a full grind from 10g-100g, and I really like the results so far.



The deck reached rank 15 today.
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#618 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 5:00:12 PM(UTC)
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Dre;40855 wrote:
Deckrules default or rush DOES NOT affect silverfish AI at all.



What deck, files, time and winrate? - Also reaching rank 7 in the first day of the season is rly good. Even the pro's are still rank 10


Also guys after 2 months of not touching my mid-range hunter (iam just glad it still works) user rffc accualy found a code-mistake, had the wrong card ID for bow on 2 rules.

@sepe, can you replace the _mulligan.txt for my midrange hunter with this: https://dl.dropboxuserco...e%20Hunter/_mulligan.txt



Midrange Hunter, and ur last files (mulligan etc) amd last silverfish, Winrate one 3rd Week of August 55%... last Week of August (after new Karazhan) i drop down to 48% and down to Rank11. Then i stopped the bot.

Against Rush-Warlock and secret Pala i had a nearly 100% lost rate.

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#629 Posted : Thursday, September 1, 2016 6:03:22 PM(UTC)
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I'm posting this winrate and resetting it...
Is ~50% winrate even good enough to reach high ranks?
And is it supposed to play Highmane into Doomsayer? It had an option to kill it with Kodo...
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er009;40846 wrote:

Regarding Jab's hybrid hunter, freezing trap is cool vs aggro shams and ctrl priest(wth all priest are ctrl) but it's kinda useless against mirror/board flood type of decks so I'm on the fence about it, tried some last season with Cloakedhunter and I did not like the outcome at all mainly cause bot doesn't understand they can play secrets for free when cloakedhunter is on the board but again Freezing trap alone is pretty solid when I think about it.

You know you never gave me any logs...
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212th;40858 wrote:

I'm posting this winrate and resetting it...
Is ~50% winrate even good enough to reach high ranks?
And is it supposed to play Highmane into Doomsayer? It had an option to kill it with Kodo...


Exactly 50% you can def hit rank 5,, below that it takes a lot more luck and time. (coz u also on average losing stars and depend solely on getting win streaks)

The bot doesn't really adjust for special effects. I doubt it ever will, just think about all the other unique effects like Kodo and Doomsayer.....
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#631 Posted : Friday, September 2, 2016 2:40:56 AM(UTC)

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44% win rate with the old Standard Midrange Hunter, no modifications. Peaked at 13 and then tanked back to 18 where it stayed (started at 17). This was over about 65 games. I'll probably swap to one of the newer decks this weekend and post results
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#632 Posted : Friday, September 2, 2016 3:37:50 AM(UTC)
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Hi all, just thought I'd give you this to play with got to rank 5 with it in 24-hours without any kind of tweaking. I may have been lucky but I'm still climbing and must have played some legendary players.

Midrange Secret Paladin (Standard)

Abusive Sergeant x 2
Argent Squire x 2
Competitive Spirit
Dragon Egg x 2
Noble Sacrifice x 2
Redemption
Argent Horserider x 2
Rallying Blade x 2
Silent Knight x 2
Barnes
Blessing of Kings x 2
Consecration x 2
Keeper of Uldaman x 2
Truesilver Champion x 2
Leeroy Jenkins
Avenging Wrath
Mysterious Challenger x 2
Tirion Fordring

~55% W/R
Druid 7-10 | Hunter 30-19 | Mage 14-8 | Paladin 3-3 | Priest 1-3 | Rogue 3-5 | Shaman 18-15 | Warlock 8-4 | Warrior 19-17 | Total 103-84

I will post complete mulligan,combo & deck setting once I'm 100% happy with my work :)
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BlackOak;40868 wrote:
Hi all, just thought I'd give you this to play with got to rank 5 with it in 24-hours without any kind of tweaking. I may have been lucky but I'm still climbing and must have played some legendary players.

Do you mean no configs at all or just not changing the deck to counter what you faced? That is impressive.
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