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#1432 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:03:31 AM(UTC)
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get 5 rank with Dre mid shaman and rush deckrule
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#1431 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:08:22 AM(UTC)
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sepefeets;42999 wrote:
Aggro shaman is dead after the nerfs. If you have the dust then rag is well worth the craft, otherwise just swap him out. Here's tons of alternate lists to choose from: http://www.vicioussyndic...-decks/mid-range-shaman/

Thx, I just crafted it. I thought it was only possible through opening packs lol.
Also I expected some notifications when someone replies/quotes your post but apparently this forum doesn't have that function.
And just curious which rank mode do you prefer? Standard or Wild or doesn't even matter?
Since all calculations have been handled by Siver.exe, does DeckRuleFile in HR settings still working?
BTW, my friend told me HB wasn't working this week. Probably something to do with that Blizzard just banned 120k WoW Buddy users.
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#1434 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:10:17 AM(UTC)

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Same deck, same rules, same everything.

Rank 7 at NA
Cant even get past rank 11 on EU

So many people are playing tempo mage and malygos druid right now that midrange shaman is starting to fall off. Or maybe it is because other bots got expensive as fuck or get you banned in a blink of an eye so i am playing against real people as soon as i leave the safety of rank 20.

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#1426 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:37:04 AM(UTC)

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Jayisawesome;43001 wrote:
Thanks, I swapped to hunter and now at rank 8. Was losing predominantly to Shamans was 1-14.
Illl keep running hunter for a while :)

Edit: Rank 7


Which deck of hunter are you using? Settings, mulligan?
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#1433 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:39:38 AM(UTC)

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wannabeabuse;43003 wrote:
get 5 rank with Dre mid shaman and rush deckrule


deck rules has not effect on silverfish
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#1427 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2016 11:43:46 AM(UTC)
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fkeh;43006 wrote:
Which deck of hunter are you using? Settings, mulligan?


Midrange Hunter and the default settings in the file.

Just switched back to Shaman midrange and fell to rank 9 pretty quick.

https://gyazo.com/a9c4cabb1adbd72a5b9d770cb1538cfe
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#1435 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2016 2:11:26 PM(UTC)
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Kurtka;43005 wrote:
Same deck, same rules, same everything.

Rank 7 at NA
Cant even get past rank 11 on EU

So many people are playing tempo mage and malygos druid right now that midrange shaman is starting to fall off. Or maybe it is because other bots got expensive as fuck or get you banned in a blink of an eye so i am playing against real people as soon as i leave the safety of rank 20.


im pretty sure malygos druid is bad against mid range shaman, maybe bad RNG?, im 125-80 (61%) against druids. 90-111(44.%) hunters, 90-91 (49.7%) mages, 139-152 (47.8%) shamans, others 53% plus.
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#1436 Posted : Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:06:16 PM(UTC)

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guess im the most unlucky one here. dropped from rank 10 to 14 lol
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#1437 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2016 4:02:16 PM(UTC)

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i was wondering if anyone was interested making another thread compiling specific card stats like win rate when played etc. i think with a few people doing it, the deck list can adapt to the meta a lot quicker.
https://www.reddit.com/r...s_seen_in_recent_posts/
im sure a few of us testing decks that differ from the deck list use it. if we compile it we can construct a better picture with a larger sample size.
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#1438 Posted : Sunday, November 13, 2016 9:03:39 PM(UTC)
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STIUPID SILVERFISH
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#1439 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2016 2:04:26 AM(UTC)
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qqkkrandom3721;43025 wrote:
STIUPID SILVERFISH


what a polite hongkong user :)
1 user thanked cert for this useful post.
Psyrodon on 11/14/2016(UTC)
Thagann
#1440 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2016 4:59:36 AM(UTC)

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I advise you to remove feral spirits and add argent horserider to increase the odds against tempo mage and remove something else to add al'akir (possibly not ragnaros) to increase the odds against aggro in general.
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#1441 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2016 5:19:57 AM(UTC)

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Thagann;43033 wrote:
I advise you to remove feral spirits and add argent horserider to increase the odds against tempo mage and remove something else to add al'akir (possibly not ragnaros) to increase the odds against aggro in general.


i tried removing feral, win rate at low 40%. im testing out a lot of variations. right now removing feral is not something i would recommend.
i dont think its right to increase your odds against one specific deck while lowering your odds with almost every other deck.
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#1449 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2016 6:38:30 AM(UTC)

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otkpotato;43034 wrote:
i tried removing feral, win rate at low 40%. im testing out a lot of variations. right now removing feral is not something i would recommend.
i dont think its right to increase your odds against one specific deck while lowering your odds with almost every other deck.


I watched Trump (no not the president, but the HS pro) yesterday for a few hours playing exact MY deck (with barnes and rag) so it's still very viable deck comp. dont expect rank 5 now, but it will hit rank 5 for sure a bit later in the month. I accualy saw trump lose against a mirror what looked like a bot. (hard to tell nowdays with the speed)
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#1442 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2016 9:44:31 AM(UTC)

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otkpotato;43034 wrote:
i tried removing feral, win rate at low 40%. im testing out a lot of variations. right now removing feral is not something i would recommend.
i dont think its right to increase your odds against one specific deck while lowering your odds with almost every other deck.


I've reached rank 5 with argent horserider. While feral spirits is a good card it's only a good tool when you have board control,so it's a win more card or a refuel card post board clear, argent horserider does the same thing, you don't want to trade a 3/2 with your trogg or your totem golem, so you play feral spirits to secure your 3/3 or 3/4, the main issue is the play that follows after if you play argent horserider you're almost certain to play thing from below in turn 4, while with feral spirits you have to delay, also argent horserider puts a lot of pressure against maly druid together with your trogg , overall a stronger play if you look at the bigger picture.
Feral spirits was played in aggro shaman because of overload because overall the damage counter was higher with a trogg on board , but as board control goes argent horserider is way better against a lot of bad matchup.
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#1450 Posted : Monday, November 14, 2016 12:27:16 PM(UTC)
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Just went from r20 to r7 last night with Midrange Shaman.
Should be able to reach r5 later in the month.
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#1443 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:58:51 AM(UTC)

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Thagann;43036 wrote:
I've reached rank 5 with argent horserider. While feral spirits is a good card it's only a good tool when you have board control,so it's a win more card or a refuel card post board clear, argent horserider does the same thing, you don't want to trade a 3/2 with your trogg or your totem golem, so you play feral spirits to secure your 3/3 or 3/4, the main issue is the play that follows after if you play argent horserider you're almost certain to play thing from below in turn 4, while with feral spirits you have to delay, also argent horserider puts a lot of pressure against maly druid together with your trogg , overall a stronger play if you look at the bigger picture.
Feral spirits was played in aggro shaman because of overload because overall the damage counter was higher with a trogg on board , but as board control goes argent horserider is way better against a lot of bad matchup.


how many ferals are u running in your deck? i am currently running one argent. i like ferals because there are a lot of hunters. double feral my win rate against hunter is 70% without is like 35% its quite a big difference against hunter
what is your decklist like? are you running any fire elementals?
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#1444 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:41:53 AM(UTC)

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otkpotato;43052 wrote:
how many ferals are u running in your deck? i am currently running one argent. i like ferals because there are a lot of hunters. double feral my win rate against hunter is 70% without is like 35% its quite a big difference against hunter
what is your decklist like? are you running any fire elementals?


I have cut from the decklist double feral spirits and barnes and added double argent horserider and al'akir btw i'ts pretty odd that you have that high of a win rate against hunter the matchup is quite hard to win must have been luck, usually if you are behind on board feral spirits won't win you the game they will just delay 1 turn and if you play feral spirits you proc cat trick , with argent horserider you can counter snipe a card you suffer a lot and freezing,I like the flexibility more than the win-more feral spirits.
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#1445 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:06:19 AM(UTC)

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Thagann;43053 wrote:
I have cut from the decklist double feral spirits and barnes and added double argent horserider and al'akir btw i'ts pretty odd that you have that high of a win rate against hunter the matchup is quite hard to win must have been luck, usually if you are behind on board feral spirits won't win you the game they will just delay 1 turn and if you play feral spirits you proc cat trick , with argent horserider you can counter snipe a card you suffer a lot and freezing,I like the flexibility more than the win-more feral spirits.


not luck if i include all the data i got about 63-65% for decks i build against hunter and shamans which ofcourse have double feral. i got about 200+ sample size 300+ including last season so im quite confident of the work feral puts in against hunter. im on 3 different accounts trying different decklists seeing whats strong against different decks/classes. ferals increases win rate against hunter more than any card. thats why its hard for me to cut. my highest win rate against any class is 1. hunter 2. shaman. but i lose out to control quite a bit, tempo mages etc.
i run al akir on one acct too its good, and according to my data its stronger than rag.


im quite worried cutting double feral will weaken trogg but i will try something similar to yours. how about fire elemental? ive been asking everyone a bout fire elemental because based on deckoptimizer it only has about 35% win rate when played. what matchups are your decklist strong against?

by the way you're using the bot and not playing by hand right? just wanna double check that we're on the same page
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#1446 Posted : Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:19:18 AM(UTC)

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otkpotato;43054 wrote:
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not luck if i include all the data i got about 63-65% for decks i build against hunter and shamans which ofcourse have double feral. i got about 200+ sample size 300+ including last season so im quite confident of the work feral puts in against hunter. im on 3 different accounts trying different decklists seeing whats strong against different decks/classes. ferals increases win rate against hunter more than any card. thats why its hard for me to cut. my highest win rate against any class is 1. hunter 2. shaman. but i lose out to control quite a bit, tempo mages etc.
i run al akir on one acct too its good, and according to my data its stronger than rag.


im quite worried cutting double feral will weaken trogg but i will try something similar to yours. how about fire elemental? ive been asking everyone a bout fire elemental because based on deckoptimizer it only has about 35% win rate when played. what matchups are your decklist strong against?


I'm pretty positive that fire elemental is really good against tempo mage and increases the odds of winning overall the fact that I run al'akir and rag gives me more reach against control matchup and maly druid, since my ladder was filled with tempo mages and control warriors I made these changes I've played 3 hunters and won 1/3 games like I expected the won game was when al'akir was played (probably as a taunter or a finisher).
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