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gloryholegal
#796 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 6:33:54 PM(UTC)

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Dre;41213 wrote:
I personaly dont see ANY missing leathals and i check most logs. If you see it missing leathal please upload the complete log from that fight (located in HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\SilverLogs) and post it in the silverfish tread.


I haven't noticed any missed lethals, but one thing the bot doesn't do very well is recognize when to go for face, many situations where the bot has been at a high life total and been one or two off lethal, given the board there was no way you were in danger of dying next turn, but it still tosses out damage to the board. In some cases this is a good idea, if you are playing around heal effects, but it does this against classes that almost never run any healing too. I've been using the deck and setting in casual, and it plays pretty well over all. I'll start my run to rank 5 tomorrow hoping for the same success y'all have been finding.

Also, I really appreciate everything you've done for us Dre, and I check here every few days to see if you've updated anything, so thank you. That being said, 'allot' is a verb. 'a lot' is the noun you are looking for every time you say 'allot' and you say it a lot. You are obviously an intelligent bloke, and I mean no disrespect.
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#797 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:13:38 PM(UTC)

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gloryholegal;41217 wrote:
I haven't noticed any missed lethals, but one thing the bot doesn't do very well is recognize when to go for face, many situations where the bot has been at a high life total and been one or two off lethal, given the board there was no way you were in danger of dying next turn, but it still tosses out damage to the board. In some cases this is a good idea, if you are playing around heal effects, but it does this against classes that almost never run any healing too. I've been using the deck and setting in casual, and it plays pretty well over all. I'll start my run to rank 5 tomorrow hoping for the same success y'all have been finding.

Also, I really appreciate everything you've done for us Dre, and I check here every few days to see if you've updated anything, so thank you. That being said, 'allot' is a verb. 'a lot' is the noun you are looking for every time you say 'allot' and you say it a lot. You are obviously an intelligent bloke, and I mean no disrespect.


What the bot can't do is thinking about the cards still in your deck. When you play yourself you might think to go face because the chances are really high to topdeck some facedamage. But the bot doesnt know what cards are still in your deck. It just calculates with the cards in hand. That having said, there are ways to go face more in settings. But i found out controll settings work the best for this deck.

And thank you a lot ;) for your spelling correction. As being Dutch, English is not my first language (arguably not even my seccond) I will make spelling mistakes in english more then I would like to unfortunately:) Also a big thanks to your compliment but as told before I just have a small part. Joyadmin (Heathranger) and Sepefeets (Silverfish) handle the hard stuff.
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#800 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:40:03 PM(UTC)

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Is there something up with the midrange hunter deck, i downloaded the stuff and stuck it in silverfish and ive just been watching it play and all its done is lose me stars consecutively and its just because of major misplays throughout the game.

The bot doesnt seem to bother playing some cards like fiery bat and it won't bother trading efficiently most of the time.

Is there something i can do to improve it because apparently you guys are getting to rank 5 with it whereas this bot doesnt seem to be able to win at rank 20 with the midrange hunter deck and settings from here.

40 minutes and all losses.

edit: it also seems to buff minions after attacking with them.
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#798 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:48:15 PM(UTC)

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Dre;41218 wrote:
What the bot can't do is thinking about the cards still in your deck. When you play yourself you might think to go face because the chances are really high to topdeck some facedamage. But the bot doesnt know what cards are still in your deck. It just calculates with the cards in hand. That having said, there are ways to go face more in settings. But i found out controll settings work the best for this deck.

And thank you a lot ;) for your spelling correction. As being Dutch, English is not my first language (arguably not even my seccond) I will make spelling mistakes in english more then I would like to unfortunately:) Also a big thanks to your compliment but as told before I just have a small part. Joyadmin (Heathranger) and Sepefeets (Silverfish) handle the hard stuff.


Ahh Yeah, I wonder if there is a way to improve that. I know when I play on my main account... For example, knowing that the warrior opponent has used all of his shield slams and executes changes the plays I make quite a bit. Also knowing that say Brawl is a lot less likely to exist in your warrior opponent's deck if Alextrasza's Champion is played turn two is very helpful information to know. I guess all that falls onto the main bot, as a predictive bot would be a whole lot harder to make than a reactive one. Either way, i see the inherent problem and see no easy way to solve it.

I appreciate you not taking my grammar police comment badly. It is a common mistake for people who picked up English later in life, but it is also a common mistake with native speakers that ... well come off as rather ignorant. I figured you weren't the latter, so I had to say something :). Also I know, Joy and Sep work hard too. I appreciate their work quite a bit too.
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#801 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:54:18 PM(UTC)

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TheRandomOne;41219 wrote:
Is there something up with the midrange hunter deck, i downloaded the stuff and stuck it in silverfish and ive just been watching it play and all its done is lose me stars consecutively and its just because of major misplays throughout the game.

The bot doesnt seem to bother playing some cards like fiery bat and it won't bother trading efficiently most of the time.

Is there something i can do to improve it because apparently you guys are getting to rank 5 with it whereas this bot doesnt seem to be able to win at rank 20 with the midrange hunter deck and settings from here.

40 minutes and all losses.

edit: it also seems to buff minions after attacking with them.



That is odd, My guess is you are using the incorrect silver.dll. For this deck we are using a specific version of Silverfish. I'd make sure you have the right one, auto-updating the bot will install the wrong one.

silverfish version


If your A.I. version doesn't have SE in it, that means it wasn't remastered/authored by Sepefeets which is the one we are using in this thread.
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#804 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:00:38 PM(UTC)

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gloryholegal;41221 wrote:
That is odd, My guess is you are using the incorrect silver.dll. For this deck we are using a specific version of Silverfish. I'd make sure you have the right one, auto-updating the bot will install the wrong one.

silverfish version


If your A.I. version doesn't have SE in it, that means it wasn't remastered/authored by Sepefeets which is the one we are using in this thread.


ah right okay ill change the silverfish and see if that improves things, it was so frustrating watching it before.
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#805 Posted : Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:06:11 PM(UTC)

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Didn't realize there was an update the last few days, but the bot is now at rank 7 with 3 stars still using the old midrange hunter build.

Should I upgrade, or leave it as is and see if I can hit 5? lol

I'm worried that by updating I'll screw up the bot like that entire month long period where I didn't have it doing what it was supposed to
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#806 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 2:10:54 AM(UTC)
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carins;41223 wrote:
Didn't realize there was an update the last few days, but the bot is now at rank 7 with 3 stars still using the old midrange hunter build.

Should I upgrade, or leave it as is and see if I can hit 5? lol

I'm worried that by updating I'll screw up the bot like that entire month long period where I didn't have it doing what it was supposed to


I'd say leave it untill you get rank 5, that's coming from a guy with bad experience right after updates. But the decision is still yours to make :)
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#807 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 3:28:36 AM(UTC)
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I have been running Dre's aggro shaman for around 500 games at this point across two separate accounts and the highest I have gotten is rank 11 on one and rank 13 on the other. Both on NA server

I am using V123.4SE and the files from the github page. Any ideas on what is going wrong? I have noticed time of day affects winrate a fair bit, but haven't found consistent enough results to exploit it yet.
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#808 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:12:52 AM(UTC)
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After 415 Games, here some stats. Best Rank was 5, fell back to 9 meanwhile. Basically everything depends on how many shamans/hunters you have to fight....
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#809 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 6:23:41 AM(UTC)

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eldritch;41232 wrote:


After 415 Games, here some stats. Best Rank was 5, fell back to 9 meanwhile. Basically everything depends on how many shamans/hunters you have to fight....


Thnx for the stats, and this tread is to get to rank 5, not maintain it xD so your got your rank 5 chest with the deck. which is nice :)
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#810 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 10:30:45 AM(UTC)
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@dre u think is this midrange hunter is capable of reaching legend?

i already reached rank 4 i will try legend
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#802 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:03:54 AM(UTC)

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gloryholegal;41221 wrote:
That is odd, My guess is you are using the incorrect silver.dll. For this deck we are using a specific version of Silverfish. I'd make sure you have the right one, auto-updating the bot will install the wrong one.

silverfish version


If your A.I. version doesn't have SE in it, that means it wasn't remastered/authored by Sepefeets which is the one we are using in this thread.



i ran it again with the proper silverfish and it seems to be doing good now although it did have a weird moment where it conceded because the opponent had lethal (got the option turned on) despite being able to taunt so the opponent didn't have lethal and potentially get lethal as well (although that required deck knowledge to know it could draw a bite).

i'll try and find the match log when i get back to my comp later.

also offtopic but do you know whether the paid hearthranger allows use on multiple accounts as i want to possibly use it as part of a dissertation topic next year and i'd probably buy it if it did and if it can continue to reliably play the game.
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#811 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12:59 AM(UTC)

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Is there any budget deck to use to try to reach Rank 5? Every deck costs more than 2.5/3k dust
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#803 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 12:48:40 PM(UTC)

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TheRandomOne;41247 wrote:
i ran it again with the proper silverfish and it seems to be doing good now although it did have a weird moment where it conceded because the opponent had lethal (got the option turned on) despite being able to taunt so the opponent didn't have lethal and potentially get lethal as well (although that required deck knowledge to know it could draw a bite).

i'll try and find the match log when i get back to my comp later.

also offtopic but do you know whether the paid hearthranger allows use on multiple accounts as i want to possibly use it as part of a dissertation topic next year and i'd probably buy it if it did and if it can continue to reliably play the game.


Yeah i've noticed that if you have auto concede options turned on it will sometimes concede even if you do have lethal. Since I noticed that, I've always kept that option off. Glad it is working better for you.

Not sure what you mean by multiple accounts. Multiple hearthstone accounts? Yes. Multiple computers using one licensed bot at the same time? no. Good lucky with your dissertation, I still have nightmares of when I had to defend mine.
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#812 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 1:10:44 PM(UTC)

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Kraker01;41248 wrote:
Is there any budget deck to use to try to reach Rank 5? Every deck costs more than 2.5/3k dust


The bot currently plays equal to about a Rank 10 player. The only way to bridge the gap from 10 to 5 is through a combination of using decks the bot is better at playing, using decks that are strong against as many tier 1 decks as possible, a properly weighted ai/silverfish, good deck rules, luck, and time.

If you have a win rate over 43%, with enough time you should tech be able to hit rank 5 eventually with any deck. 2.5/3k dust can be gotten in a few weeks of letting the bot grind out gold and quests in casual. Of all the things required to get your bot to rank 5, getting the dust for a rank 5 deck is probably the easiest.
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gloryholegal;41255 wrote:
The bot currently plays equal to about a Rank 10 player. The only way to bridge the gap from 10 to 5 is through a combination of using decks the bot is better at playing, using decks that are strong against as many tier 1 decks as possible, a properly weighted ai/silverfish, good deck rules, luck, and time.

If you have a win rate over 43%, with enough time you should tech be able to hit rank 5 eventually with any deck. 2.5/3k dust can be gotten in a few weeks of letting the bot grind out gold and quests in casual. Of all the things required to get your bot to rank 5, getting the dust for a rank 5 deck is probably the easiest.


So I should try to dust every useless card for a deck i want to build, then craft all the cards and then try to rank up?
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Everybody should update to HR 6.2.5.0 for the data sync fix!
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Kraker01;41257 wrote:
So I should try to dust every useless card for a deck i want to build, then craft all the cards and then try to rank up?


Obviously, dusting cards is up to you, but when I first started out this is exactly what I did. Tbh though, getting to rank 5, while nice, is little more than bragging rights. If you run a bot every day for a month you will get about 4500 gold. At an average of 80 dust per pack that's 3600 dust a month. (this is a low average and doesn't count free packs from tavern brawl)

At rank 15, you will get around 150 dust worth of end of season rewards, and at rank 5 you will get around 600 dust worth of rewards.

So by getting to rank 5 you will net around 450 more dust in a month than if you just played a little ranked and mined your tanked mmr in casual. There is little real difference between ±4000 dust and ±4500.

The idea behind this thread is to give people that have been botting for some time something further to try and accomplish by super fine tuning everything (i think).

If your just starting out, I'd build as good a deck as you can and not worry too much about rank, focus on a deck that can quickly and easily farm you your 100g/day and quests.
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#814 Posted : Wednesday, September 14, 2016 7:06:22 PM(UTC)
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Kraker01;41257 wrote:
So I should try to dust every useless card for a deck i want to build, then craft all the cards and then try to rank up?


Getting rank 10 would be easy by the end of each season so I don't know if it's worth it, getting rank 5 on the other hand is very uncertain, it comes down to luck / bot playing less like an idiot half the time.

A friend of mine who doesn't bot did actually dust all his wild cards leaving only standard alone, this could be good or bad depending on how you look at it cause some pve / brawl content will let you benefit from having wild cards for an example thus I left my cards alone on newer accounts I made when I started to bot then aimed only to get 100gold each day and maybe rank 5, plus rerolling quests to get higher value than 40 gold is prefertable. I do dust crappy epic and legendary cards I know I'm never gonna use like Millhouse, L.Cho, Hemet, Farsight, Kidnapper, Pit lord etc.
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