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iNiles
#509 Posted : Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:59:33 PM(UTC)

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You could write lots of combo's for each buff + each other minion, but that still would not tell it which minion to play the buff on. It's something that needs to be corrected in the source code.


This is what I wrote for the combo's. I believe the bot chooses what to buff regardless of the combo, I have no idea if it gives value to buff non-djinni targets. Regardless the deck has gotten me from rank 14-10 w/ a 60% wr.
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#510 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 2:27:02 AM(UTC)
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Tried Secret Paladin by @oijkn this season (end at season).

It is stuck at rank 8 since 2 days. so not 5-2 like mentioned in the description.
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#511 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 2:35:43 AM(UTC)

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Silverfish knows that Djinni gets buffs you cast on other minions but if you don't have something else for it to cast the buff on then it could end up wanting to buff Djinni directly. A log would help figure out what exactly is wrong (you can copy a turn out of the log, save it as test.txt, run silver.exe to see what it wants to do, and change the configs around to try to get it to do what you want it to...), but I think the problem might actually be with your combo's. Those 2 turn combo's where you play Djinni first and then a buff could be causing it to do exactly that without playing any other minions before the buff. That order seems wrong to me anyways, isn't it better to play Djinni and buff something already on board in the same turn so that you don't give them a chance to respond to the Djinni before it has buffs?

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Tried Secret Paladin by @oijkn this season (end at season).

It is stuck at rank 8 till 2 days. so not 5-2 like mentioned in the description.

I got rank 5 last night with my secret pally on US. It had been stuck around 7-9 for 3-4 days but finally got there. It's just a matter of getting a good win streak or not.
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#522 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 5:50:20 AM(UTC)
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Bot is not good with complicated buffing, and ofc like what you ppl found out djinni is big nono with current silver.

Tried all kinds of aggro decks but the bot isn't that great going face even with aggro preset cause sometimes it doesn't know when to trade, against mainly Flame waker, knife juggler, explosive sheep and doomsayer.

Untill there's a bot which can do LoE properly and Old gods which is coming out sometime this month hopefully, we will be stuck with old decks for awhile. And Arena is just meh.
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iNiles
#512 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:17:30 AM(UTC)

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Silverfish knows that Djinni gets buffs you cast on other minions but if you don't have something else for it to cast the buff on then it could end up wanting to buff Djinni directly. A log would help figure out what exactly is wrong (you can copy a turn out of the log, save it as test.txt, run silver.exe to see what it wants to do, and change the configs around to try to get it to do what you want it to...), but I think the problem might actually be with your combo's. Those 2 turn combo's where you play Djinni first and then a buff could be causing it to do exactly that without playing any other minions before the buff. That order seems wrong to me anyways, isn't it better to play Djinni and buff something already on board in the same turn so that you don't give them a chance to respond to the Djinni before it has buffs?


I got rank 5 last night with my secret pally on US. It had been stuck around 7-9 for 3-4 days but finally got there. It's just a matter of getting a good win streak or not.


So should i just use the first combo's? I have seen the bot play zepyhers t5 then next turn divine favor instead of dropping a minibot and blessing of king it. Not sure how to make the combos work.
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#513 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:08:07 AM(UTC)
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So should i just use the first combo's? I have seen the bot play zepyhers t5 then next turn divine favor instead of dropping a minibot and blessing of king it. Not sure how to make the combos work.


what Server are you on? NA is pretty easy for secret paly. I hit 5 with it like a week ago. Doesn't work on eu though. Neither does Zoo (on EU). Trying out Taunt Druid atm. The only 2 big problem with this deck is innvevating + 4 Drop when there is no other 4 drop and using hero power and not attacking with it. (Even if there is no taunt)
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#523 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:35:37 AM(UTC)
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Secret pally works on EU, its just not as easy as on US. With abit of luck and win streaks and your done, I don't know if EU or Asia is hardest for secret pally but I think its about equal. I also run midrange hunter and zoo inbetween to mix it up and will be starting to run dragon priest again at beginning of next season which I don't think will be super good as before.
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#514 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:55:23 AM(UTC)

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what Server are you on? NA is pretty easy for secret paly. I hit 5 with it like a week ago. Doesn't work on eu though. Neither does Zoo (on EU). Trying out Taunt Druid atm. The only 2 big problem with this deck is innvevating + 4 Drop when there is no other 4 drop and using hero power and not attacking with it. (Even if there is no taunt)


US, and I tired didn't get past 10.
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#515 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 12:08:49 PM(UTC)
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US, and I tired didn't get past 10.


It is true that at rank 10 is the hardest to get past, but once you hit 8 it's alot easier for some reason. I run a more aggro oriented list at 10 then switch up the gear from 8 if I'm watching the bot play.

Example of cards which is too slow imo when I want to switch out stuff includes: Tirion and Dr.Boom allthough they are a must vs warriors and Druids, not so much vs aggro or mirror match since the game could be over in the very first few turns.

I toss in everything from 2nd Coghammer / Defender of Argus, if I use this for an example then I change Annoy O tron with 2nd Haunted Creeper. I don't really thing Consecration is neccasery if in current meta either but it could be a life saver in mirror which costs you a whole turn casting it so opponent can fill the board again next turn.
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#517 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 12:15:51 PM(UTC)

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It is true that at rank 10 is the hardest to get past, but once you hit 8 it's alot easier for some reason. I run a more aggro oriented list at 10 then switch up the gear from 8 if I'm watching the bot play.

Example of cards which is too slow imo when I want to switch out stuff includes: Tirion and Dr.Boom allthough they are a must vs warriors and Druids, not so much vs aggro or mirror match since the game could be over in the very first few turns.

I toss in everything from 2nd Coghammer / Defender of Argus, if I use this for an example then I change Annoy O tron with 2nd Haunted Creeper. I don't really thing Consecration is neccasery if in current meta either but it could be a life saver in mirror which costs you a whole turn casting it so opponent can fill the board again next turn.


Currently at rank 6 with djinni egg paladin, going for 5.
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#520 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 2:33:17 PM(UTC)
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Currently at rank 6 with djinni egg paladin, going for 5.

Amazing the deck has made it that far with broken djinni.
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#521 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:01:17 PM(UTC)

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Amazing the deck has made it that far with broken djinni.


I think its just because the anti aggro core just wins by turn 5 or 6 and djinni doesn't matter just the aggro package winnning.
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#516 Posted : Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:43:21 PM(UTC)

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It is true that at rank 10 is the hardest to get past, but once you hit 8 it's alot easier for some reason. I run a more aggro oriented list at 10 then switch up the gear from 8 if I'm watching the bot play.

Example of cards which is too slow imo when I want to switch out stuff includes: Tirion and Dr.Boom allthough they are a must vs warriors and Druids, not so much vs aggro or mirror match since the game could be over in the very first few turns.

I toss in everything from 2nd Coghammer / Defender of Argus, if I use this for an example then I change Annoy O tron with 2nd Haunted Creeper. I don't really thing Consecration is neccasery if in current meta either but it could be a life saver in mirror which costs you a whole turn casting it so opponent can fill the board again next turn.


Just got ysera from a tavern brawl pack, what ranks can dragon priest get to? Idk if wanna craft chillmaw doe.
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#524 Posted : Friday, April 1, 2016 12:51:11 AM(UTC)
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I've gotten to 5 but that was before LoE and havnt tested it much ever since it was released. It's good vs aggro and just ok vs everything else.
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#525 Posted : Friday, April 1, 2016 1:08:49 PM(UTC)

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Anyone know how the next expansion with affect hearth ranger? Like is wild going to be the place to play? Will wild be harder to use the bot in?
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#526 Posted : Friday, April 1, 2016 8:08:09 PM(UTC)

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Anyone know how the next expansion with affect hearth ranger? Like is wild going to be the place to play? Will wild be harder to use the bot in?

Standard will probably be the better place to bot (eventually) since there will be less variety of decks that your opponents can use. This comes with the caveat that Standard decks will need some of the new cards and the bot could horribly misplay them for a while whereas you could throw an existing deck (secret pally, zoo lock, mid hunter) into Wild and have it do okay until people start tech'ing to counter it.

They said that both modes would have a ladder but I don't think they've said anything about whether they would have separate end of season rewards for each. If they both have reward caches then we will need to play both. I hope that this is the case because right now the rewards for ranked play are pitiful compared to what a half decent Arena player gets.
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#527 Posted : Friday, April 1, 2016 11:16:39 PM(UTC)
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Sorry for bothering, I am in US and using the Secret Paladin by @oijkn, but it is not that good as I think. I got 44% winning rate and dropped from 15 to 19. Many people said that desk are amazing, so is there might some mistakes I made will cause that. I use the same desk, combo, setting and muligan which provide, so what problem might cause that and what should I do?
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#528 Posted : Friday, April 1, 2016 11:49:06 PM(UTC)

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Sorry for bothering, I am in US and using the Secret Paladin by @oijkn, but it is not that good as I think. I got 44% winning rate and dropped from 15 to 19. Many people said that desk are amazing, so is there might some mistakes I made will cause that. I use the same desk, combo, setting and muligan which provide, so what problem might cause that and what should I do?

If you just started today then your problem is that it's the 1st of the month and all the legend players got reset to low ranks... In a few days it should sail to rank 10ish easily, then you have to fish for rank 5 and hope that it gets a good win streak.
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#529 Posted : Saturday, April 2, 2016 4:41:44 AM(UTC)
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If you just started today then your problem is that it's the 1st of the month and all the legend players got reset to low ranks... In a few days it should sail to rank 10ish easily, then you have to fish for rank 5 and hope that it gets a good win streak.



Thanks, I will wait for some days.
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#518 Posted : Saturday, April 2, 2016 9:28:56 AM(UTC)
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Currently at rank 6 with djinni egg paladin, going for 5.

Could you share your settings please ?
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