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[Vision AI] Ljac's Hearthranger Decks
Eliboyi
#126 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 12:35:04 PM(UTC)
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I just wondered why you chose to use Patches, Creeper and Bonemare even after the nerfs. I can get Bonemare but the other two are just really weak right now. So just wondered if a decklist like this one http://www.hearthstoneto...ck-list-guide-standard/ would be better cause its updated. I get if the bot just plays better with these cards just wanted to ask.
tebessa
#130 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 12:55:49 PM(UTC)

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this 22 Replay for Murloc Paladin

https://mega.nz/#!PV1V1T5I!7xrj8AEP1G4wdxXy2HUVMECnpL9WJLY9srA3RDV0Qm8
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#107 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 1:08:29 PM(UTC)

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kevb_;54469 wrote:
Could anyone please tell me what the "GeneralCardSettings" folder does and how it is accessed? I don't quite understand, forum search wasn't really helpful so far. Thanks in advance!

Man, just open the folder and look into the files located there via Notepad.
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#131 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 2:08:22 PM(UTC)

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I tried this deck with your hunter files, rank 15->13, 54% winrate in 35 games.

### midrange
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
#
# 2x (1) Alleycat
# 2x (1) Dire Mole
# 2x (1) Tracking
# 2x (2) Crackling Razormaw
# 2x (2) Dire Wolf Alpha
# 2x (2) Scavenging Hyena
# 2x (3) Animal Companion
# 2x (3) Bearshark
# 2x (3) Eaglehorn Bow
# 2x (3) Kill Command
# 2x (3) Unleash the Hounds
# 2x (4) Houndmaster
# 2x (4) Spellbreaker
# 2x (5) Bittertide Hydra
# 1x (5) Leeroy Jenkins
# 1x (5) Tundra Rhino
#
AAECAR8CrwS7BQ6oArUD8gXZB+sHlwjbCYEK/gzquwKvwgKOwwLXzQKL5QIA
#
# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
snowbunny
#132 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 3:01:52 PM(UTC)

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Cubelock 49% casual with your config. I know scottbreak and joy are working on improving it
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#133 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 3:10:44 PM(UTC)

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snowbunny;54517 wrote:
Cubelock 49% casual with your config. I know scottbreak and joy are working on improving it

Wait, scottbreak wrote he had quit developing HR configs, didn't he?
mary7
#135 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 4:23:30 PM(UTC)
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many errors in cubelock config, im think take more 50% without files 8)
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#136 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 6:08:32 PM(UTC)
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Hey Ljac,
This deck has been performing very good
a lot of pros use it for fast laddering
Can we set some configs for this list?

http://www.hearthstoneto...lock-zoo-february-2018/
Christopho
#137 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 9:01:57 PM(UTC)
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Just wanted to confirm, is the current Druid deck in the OP updated?
Ljac
#127 Posted : Monday, February 12, 2018 9:02:26 PM(UTC)

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Eliboyi;54512 wrote:
I just wondered why you chose to use Patches, Creeper and Bonemare even after the nerfs. I can get Bonemare but the other two are just really weak right now. So just wondered if a decklist like this one http://www.hearthstoneto...ck-list-guide-standard/ would be better cause its updated. I get if the bot just plays better with these cards just wanted to ask.


Despite the nerfs, those cards aren't unplayable. The only unplayable thing is Raza, while Patches is almost unnaffected (Charge was nice, but it didn't define the card). Because Patches is still played, Corridor Creeper is still a thing. Bonemare is ehhh, but some decks can utilize it because there aren't better cards for the slot, and the meta is slow enough not to punish you for having an 8 drop in a tempo deck.

All the post nerf decks ARE updated. You will see that the best Zoolock decks still run Corridor Creeper, and most run two. They stopped running Patches but that is only because Warlock already has insane 1-drops.

Pliskin;54524 wrote:
Hey Ljac,
This deck has been performing very good
a lot of pros use it for fast laddering
Can we set some configs for this list?

http://www.hearthstoneto...lock-zoo-february-2018/


Interesting. After I do the first round of fixes I'll see what I can do with the deck. I hope HR handles Demonfire logic well because it would be hellish to custom write it. I don't think it would do well (because the current Zoolock list I have is still more brainless than this and brainless = good, just remember the good old Face Hunter days), but it's worth trying as Zoolock definitely is the best HR archetype.

Christopho;54526 wrote:
Just wanted to confirm, is the current Druid deck in the OP updated?


Yes, although all decks have to get past the first bugfix cycle to be worth considering for ranked. As I changed the cards in the decks, so did the possible misplays increase. Especially for an entirely new deck like Tempo Druid.

WinXP;54504 wrote:
Would coining out a fire elemental from firefly instead of waiting for southsea captain t2 count as a misplay?


Technically no, because the bot sees that as a stronger play (in aggro decks, the current turn is important, not the future). You could likely circumvent the issue by creating a Combo file, but that creates a variety of other issues which are, well, more significant than not coining out Captain. I tried many fixes with the coin, the GAME_005 file had like 10-15 settings, but they all created problems. In the end, Joy fixed the critical issues such as Coin -> end turn, so they're not very important as of right now.
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xczsonn
#138 Posted : Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:57:39 AM(UTC)
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it's all garbage.
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#139 Posted : Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:02:53 AM(UTC)
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xczsonn;54532 wrote:
it's all garbage.

murlopal about 50% WR at rank 10-8
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tebessa
#140 Posted : Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:49:35 AM(UTC)

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Murloc Paladin hit Rank 8 from 15 with 55% WR

this 94 Replay Games for Murloc Paladin

https://mega.nz/#!rQ1H3TzQ!kJDrKdtxZQ6BPReC3XiSmpq2T2iPvIacuExxAZ_Wqds
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Ljac on 2/13/2018(UTC)
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#141 Posted : Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:49:35 AM(UTC)
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Warlock - Rank 10 NA Standard Misplays

https://drive.google.com...9591Tr8cpFkc0mXeNzQcfrb
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Ljac on 2/13/2018(UTC)
Eliboyi
#128 Posted : Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:10:50 AM(UTC)
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Ljac;54527 wrote:
Despite the nerfs, those cards aren't unplayable. The only unplayable thing is Raza, while Patches is almost unnaffected (Charge was nice, but it didn't define the card). Because Patches is still played, Corridor Creeper is still a thing. Bonemare is ehhh, but some decks can utilize it because there aren't better cards for the slot, and the meta is slow enough not to punish you for having an 8 drop in a tempo deck.

All the post nerf decks ARE updated. You will see that the best Zoolock decks still run Corridor Creeper, and most run two. They stopped running Patches but that is only because Warlock already has insane 1-drops.



Interesting. After I do the first round of fixes I'll see what I can do with the deck. I hope HR handles Demonfire logic well because it would be hellish to custom write it. I don't think it would do well (because the current Zoolock list I have is still more brainless than this and brainless = good, just remember the good old Face Hunter days), but it's worth trying as Zoolock definitely is the best HR archetype.



Yes, although all decks have to get past the first bugfix cycle to be worth considering for ranked. As I changed the cards in the decks, so did the possible misplays increase. Especially for an entirely new deck like Tempo Druid.



Technically no, because the bot sees that as a stronger play (in aggro decks, the current turn is important, not the future). You could likely circumvent the issue by creating a Combo file, but that creates a variety of other issues which are, well, more significant than not coining out Captain. I tried many fixes with the coin, the GAME_005 file had like 10-15 settings, but they all created problems. In the end, Joy fixed the critical issues such as Coin -> end turn, so they're not very important as of right now.


I would disagree, Patches has the disadvantage of having to run pirates that are suboptimal and also the fact that if u draw Patches it is completely useless. Corridor Creepers stat reduction make it maybe worth it as a 3 mana drop so it's really hard to get value out of it.

Really I think that a deck like this one http://www.hearthstoneto...ck-list-guide-standard/ or this one http://www.hearthstoneto...lock-zoo-february-2018/ suggested by Pliskin would have better success. Of course this is my opinion only on the decks I don't know how the bot plays with different type of cards, just my honest opinion/suggestion.

I would also like to thank you big time for helping so many people out! Really appreciated and thank you for commenting on peoples suggestions. Great work!
Ljac
#129 Posted : Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:04:53 PM(UTC)

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Eliboyi;54538 wrote:
I would disagree, Patches has the disadvantage of having to run pirates that are suboptimal and also the fact that if u draw Patches it is completely useless. Corridor Creepers stat reduction make it maybe worth it as a 3 mana drop so it's really hard to get value out of it.

Really I think that a deck like this one http://www.hearthstoneto...ck-list-guide-standard/ or this one http://www.hearthstoneto...lock-zoo-february-2018/ suggested by Pliskin would have better success. Of course this is my opinion only on the decks I don't know how the bot plays with different type of cards, just my honest opinion/suggestion.

I would also like to thank you big time for helping so many people out! Really appreciated and thank you for commenting on peoples suggestions. Great work!


Most decks only run Southsea Captain for it, playing a 3/3 that thins your deck and plays a 1/1 is already insane, when you take into account that it's actually a 2/2 while it's up is bonkers (straight up 5 Mana of value for 3 mana). Southsea Deckhand is also busted with a weapon, especially if it summons Patches. I wouldn't say anything if the Pirates played in deck were trash, but they're solid, if not insane cards (situationally).

Getting value of a 0-cost minion isn't that hard, to be honest. 4 minions dying in a meta like this is trivial to achieve. The only way Corridor Creeper sucks is if Kabal Shadow Priest starts getting played more or if you draw it late. But then again, if you draw it late it doesn't matter as much because it isn't that impactful with 3 less attack. Also, the statistics don't lie. You might think how bad Corridor Creeper is but remember that I'm not reinventing the meta and am merely writing instructions for successful decks. Some of those successful decks still run Corridor Creeper. In decks like Murloc Paladin and Secret Mage it no longer makes sense.

Lastly, you have to think how the bot will play the deck, as you've said. Cubelock is without doubt the best deck, with Murloc Paladins and some other aggro decks instantly conceding, yet the bot will probably never be able to pull off the combos that well. Corridor Creeper, Patches and Bonemare are brainless. They get played and that's about it. No doubt there may be better cards, but it's all meaningless if they don't work well. Just look at the Drakonid Operative config I wrote. The bot still isn't playing it perfectly. Imagine if I had to write one for Curious Glimerroot. It's without doubt a very strong card, but it's not good for HR. The 3 nerfed but viable cards are better than it in a sense.

Also, a big thanks to those who have uploaded the replay files, I'll try and get all the misplays I can fix fixed today.
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#134 Posted : Tuesday, February 13, 2018 1:52:35 PM(UTC)

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Legioner;54518 wrote:
Wait, scottbreak wrote he had quit developing HR configs, didn't he?

http://www.hearthranger....find=lastpost#post54531
Scottbreak had tried playing around with Ljac's cubelock config and discovered a misplay
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#142 Posted : Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:00:13 AM(UTC)
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Observations/data for Zoolock.

Starting Rank: 14
Current Rank: 12
Wins: 34
Losses: 35
Games: 69
Ratio: 49.3%

Average Gametime: 426 seconds (7.1 Minutes)
Shortest (Non-Instant Concede): 117 seconds
Longest: 960 seconds

Key notes:
- Most commonly played against Secret Mage (Both Armor and Control), Quest Mage, Cubelock, Zoolock, and Murloc Paladin.
- Loses a lot to Quest Mage, 50/50 against Secret Mage.
- Loses to Murloc Paladin almost every time.
- Bot doesn't seem to understand the Imp/Doomguard combo. Will rather play Imp whenever possible instead of saving for combo.
- No missed lethals seen. I am however using an i7-4930 with 16gb of RAM.

Opinion notes:
- Downfalls of this deck are the lack of strength coming from the pirates. Patches/Southsea Captain don't really do much in cases against other aggro decks.
- Bot will go on massive winstreaks at times (Highest seen is 9 in a row) but normally maintains a 50/50 win/loss at rank 14 to rank 12.

Specific class ratios:
https://i.imgur.com/lH3C4PI.png

Reviews Download for all 69 games:
https://mega.nz/#!WZRHwITQ!rqEN8KjOSbkmAn5ZcOLB0e1GAE4L9cOgKHLfTzq2F9Y
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#143 Posted : Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:26:08 AM(UTC)

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Corridor Creeper hit hard Zoolock deck. After the patch I am stuck at rank 15 (reaching briefly rank 13). I tried back Aggro Druid, but still can't leave rank 15.
tebessa
#144 Posted : Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:30:15 AM(UTC)

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this 150 Replay for murloc paladin
notes:
there a hug miss play bot trade first and play adapt last thing
bot always trade Possessed Lackey or Carnivorous Cube

in 150 games bot get 43% WR from stucking in rank 9

https://mega.nz/#!TAcDzYQZ!8iYw_HtPNnN5biKiwaLcKy01lvej9ZPbWa9tA7fG8zQ
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