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When should you use Combo in VisionAI?
Milecar121
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 2, 2017 6:12:54 AM(UTC)

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Hello. I was making some configs with VisionAI along with Combos. The Combos weren't for combo decks, but rather good moves one should play at certain times (ex. coin Wild Growth if you have Jade Blossoms in hand, or Fandral-Nourish when having less than 8 cards). However, I noticed that the bot won't play some combo cards when it cannot perform the combo (ex. the only cards bot can play when I had 5/7 mana were Wild Growth and Jade Blossoms, this would get me to 10 and it was better every single time than just passing, yet the bot passed, presumably because I have 2 combos with each of these).

This led me to believe that Combos are a necessary evil, or in other words, that I should never use them for things other than sheer combos (as in moves with 4+ moves). I see that some configs without combos reach rank 5, but mine keeps barely 67% winrate in unranked. So, what I'm wondering is - should you use combos for some of these micro, yet super good plays, or is VisionAI smart enough to recognise such a small pattern (such as Coin >> Wild Growth >-> Jade Blossoms turn 1 if you have the coin)?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, November 2, 2017 7:05:21 AM(UTC)
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Vision a.i. can almost recognize all small patterns.

if you want to perform action like

Coin >> Wild Growth >-> Jade Blossoms

on turn 1,

but bot prefer to play other cards on turn 1 and 2, the solution is very simple:

For Wild Growth:
- Bonus wild growth play on turn 1, if in hand has Jade Blossoms.

For Jade Blossoms:
- Bonus Jade Blossoms play on turn 2.




Milecar121
#3 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 5:39:47 PM(UTC)

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JoyAdmin;52336 wrote:
Vision a.i. can almost recognize all small patterns.

if you want to perform action like

Coin >> Wild Growth >-> Jade Blossoms

on turn 1,

but bot prefer to play other cards on turn 1 and 2, the solution is very simple:

For Wild Growth:
- Bonus wild growth play on turn 1, if in hand has Jade Blossoms.

For Jade Blossoms:
- Bonus Jade Blossoms play on turn 2.






Yes, I understand that, but what do you use combos for? Long combinations or some combinations the bot can't understand? I'm thinking of not making combo for any meta deck because from what I've seen I would need to play a very outdated deck which had long but unambiguous combos. Vision AI seems pretty smart, but I can't get a feel of how smart it is (I mean, from what I see it is obsessed with shuffling with Jade Idols, but other choose ones don't have this behaviour).
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#4 Posted : Saturday, November 4, 2017 1:05:48 AM(UTC)
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Use combo as less as possible, unless it's 99% necessary in your deck.

About Jade Idols, may be you need to change its default behavior in your deck, you can check the sample in the online help:

http://www.hearthranger....derstand_json_config.htm
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