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mary7
#2315 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 7:48:01 AM(UTC)
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take 5 with aggro http://i.imgur.com/TGEqpm6.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/i6UXyLC.png
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#2316 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:31:41 AM(UTC)

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mary7;45218 wrote:
take 5 with aggro


Very nice, phew i almost lost faith in myself haha.

Anyway i allready made some real good changes to the combo file of the deck, and i will keep working on it. updated files will be there soon.
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#2317 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:39:05 AM(UTC)

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I am playing almost nonstop pirate warrior since Gadgetzan expansion came out and it NEVER made past rank 9. I play EU server in wild.
I hit rank 4 and 5 for several months using secret paladin and I am thinking of giving it another try...
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#2318 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:58:37 AM(UTC)

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Rank 5 on EU wild with pirate warrior. Did 17->5 in 2 runs, 7 hours and 3,5 hours. Below are stats from the second run, ranks 8->5

wild pirate warrior

Love to scottbreak, dre and seepefeets, there you did it again!
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scottbreak on 1/19/2017(UTC)
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#2319 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:10:05 PM(UTC)
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Hey y'all,
Here are my latest updates. These have given me the best results so far. I have sitting pretty consistent at Rank 4 on [NA]. I hope that everyone else sees the improved results that I have. If you have the time, please test and let me know your results.
Note: I have not run this with any subs yet.


_combo.txt


_discovery.txt


_mulligan.txt


decklist.txt


settings.txt
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mrgodai
#2320 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:17:47 PM(UTC)

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scottbreak;45230 wrote:
Hey y'all,
Here are my latest updates. These have given me the best results so far. I have sitting pretty consistent at Rank 4 on [NA]. I hope that everyone else sees the improved results that I have. If you have the time, please test and let me know your results.
Note: I have not run this with any subs yet.


_combo.txt


you cut out all the weapon combos, is that right?

and what's the reason for -1 Mortal Strike+1 Ooze ? wouldnt -1 Bloodsail Cultist +1 Ooze be better?

Bloodsail Cultist's battle cry doesnt get triggered quiet often, plus now you have an extra Arcanite for weapon, it's less important to buff weapons as often.

Also the 2x Mortal Strikes are the only reach to get through taunts from shaman/druid/warlock, is reducing it to 1 really ok?
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#2259 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 11:55:13 PM(UTC)

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fkeh;45127 wrote:
kobold on mulligan plz

I added this to Dre's mid shaman mulligan.
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#2323 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 12:03:53 AM(UTC)
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#2325 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 12:47:08 AM(UTC)

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dre's aggro shaman behave = rush. scott uses behave = face.
how big is the difference?
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#2321 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 12:47:34 AM(UTC)
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mrgodai;45231 wrote:
you cut out all the weapon combos, is that right?

and what's the reason for -1 Mortal Strike+1 Ooze ? wouldnt -1 Bloodsail Cultist +1 Ooze be better?

Bloodsail Cultist's battle cry doesnt get triggered quiet often, plus now you have an extra Arcanite for weapon, it's less important to buff weapons as often.

Also the 2x Mortal Strikes are the only reach to get through taunts from shaman/druid/warlock, is reducing it to 1 really ok?

I did a lot of testing with different combos, card values and decklists. This is the one that gave me the best results. I ran each change for at least 120 games (around 10-12 hours) to compare the results, some of which I posted previously. Cards that I subbed included, Finley, Mortal Strike, Leeroy, and a Ooze. To be honest, I didn't try subbing Clutist. Perhaps it would be a better sub, so I encourage you to run ~100 games with each, and report back. I should have some time this weekend to do the same.
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#2322 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 1:05:21 AM(UTC)

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scottbreak;45235 wrote:
I did a lot of testing with different combos, card values and decklists. This is the one that gave me the best results. I ran each change for at least 120 games (around 10-12 hours) to compare the results, some of which I posted previously. Cards that I subbed included, Finley, Mortal Strike, Leeroy, and a Ooze. To be honest, I didn't try subbing Clutist. Perhaps it would be a better sub, so I encourage you to run ~100 games with each, and report back. I should have some time this weekend to do the same.



ok going to start with your new files tonight with cultist for ooze and see
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#2324 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 1:08:28 AM(UTC)

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omgfrost;45233 wrote:
i got the solution for everyone. I just need more time.



solution to what?
otkpotato
#2328 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 1:55:31 AM(UTC)

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should i be using a different deck to climb wild ladder until a certain rank then use pirate warrior? cuz 30 games later still stuck at rank 20 0 stars....
more than half of the players using reno decks. it sure doesnt feel like rank 20...

edit: i used mech mage got to 18 and started climbing from there. too many farming gold and portrait at 20 =.=''
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#2329 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 2:08:05 AM(UTC)
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#2330 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 3:43:48 AM(UTC)
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Just for curiosity. Do you use the same decks for farm the 100gold as for ranking to 5?

Or you do rank5 in standard and farm 100gold in wild or do you drop down back to 20 after reaching rank 5?
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#2326 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 3:44:01 AM(UTC)

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otkpotato;45234 wrote:
dre's aggro shaman behave = rush. scott uses behave = face.
how big is the difference?


This new meta jade aggro is not a face deck as the old face-shaman was. Jade aggro shaman has to build on favourable trades especially in the beginning of the match and then overflood and go face.

Rush handles this a lot better then face.

Difference is simple, Face settings ignore most minions and go face. Rush makes favourable trades but goes face after that. At least this is how it's intended. Ofc the AI is a continously changing thing since new cards and new meta's develop.

I also think Rush settings are a bit more developed then Face by botmaker back in the days, but Sepe is the best man to awnser that now.

TLDR: Aggro shaman is not a face deck.

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#2331 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 8:03:37 AM(UTC)
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Finally reached rank 5 with Dre's Midrange Shaman
Playing on eu had it running 20.01 from about 3 to 11 am

Thanks for your great work

http://imgur.com/pW3BFJF
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Dre on 1/20/2017(UTC)
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#2332 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 2:55:54 PM(UTC)
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ok so I've hit rank 5 this season in wild using scottbreaks pirate warrior and I hit rank 5 last night with dre aggro shaman except I'm using TS aggro list not the one in the decklist file for dre. I did use all the rest of the files. Don't know if my results would have been better or not using the full deck list. Also as a side note I've got a few dragon priest decks built in wild and standard and seems like there hasn't been much development with priest since it's been pretty bad class for so long. Now that it's halfway decent let me know what I can do to help there. I notice for instance it stuggles with discovery cards and it doesn't play with priest of the feast very well. For instance it will play 2 or 3 spells and then drop priest. It also doesn't seem to understand some of the dragon activators and will drop cards before a dragon is in hand because of their cost. I was able to ladder with both decks in wild and standard fairly well but after a certain point the misplays make it unable to continue to climb. I think the deck could be incredibly strong with the right files to back it up. Edit: potion of madness is another one it failed on 100% of the time. It would steal the other players minion and then I think the AI was using it like it was it's own so it would never trade it off and kill it. It would use it to attack something that it could kill without a full trade so my opponent always got back the minion I stole to use against me next turn. In some cases it wouldn't attack with it at all in order to keep it. Again I think the AI looks at that minion as one of our own that will keep and make decisions as such but make that potion something I have to rotate out for the time being.
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sepefeets on 1/20/2017(UTC)
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#2333 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 3:05:58 PM(UTC)

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@dre I used your jade aggro deck to go from 8-5. There were misplays but it got there. The below winrate is from rank 8.

winrate:

Got rank 5 on eu wild with scottbreaks pirate deck and rank 5 on eu standard with dres jade aggro shammy. Times played where pretty random and different amounts of hours but all during the times 9am - 2am EU GMT.
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#2334 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 4:28:04 PM(UTC)
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@dre did u check the new midrange jade shaman that lifecoach is using? is very good against control and aggressive decks and i would say is the same style of your midrange so maybe the bot can play almost perfectly
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