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Dre
#1344 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 7:06:44 AM(UTC)

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Hi guys, tempostorm presented a new meta report, just some information in here for my vision for november.

Tier 1.

In tier one we still see Mid-range Shaman on top. Altough it changed some cards in comparison to my version. For example the Fire Elementals are gone and the Flamewreated Faceless found its way back. Also the tech choise some os us used allready to take Bloodlust in is now in de standard deck. Also a ooze is in the list now. Barnes and rag is a still a tech choise against controll but are repaced by 2 Horseriders often. I will test some things ofc but i think my current list is still very good for the bot. The bloodlust might find it's way in though. I have to check it. But one thing is for sure. Midrange Shaman will still be the prefered deck for november.

In tier 1 we also see Malygos druid back in but this deck is not bottable.

Tier 2

Interesting changes in tier 2 since Secret hunter is the top tier 2 deck now. Hence at the start of november i will probably make the files for this deck from the base of my midrange hunter. Secret hunter and mid-range hunter are very simulair so i expect good results with this aswell. So basicly i will focus again on shaman and hunter in November. a quick view on the rest of the decks in tier 2:

- 4. Control warrior: Got me to rank 5 loong time ago, and i still think the bot has a high potential with this. Rly try this deck out! even without files at all.
- 5. Tempo mage: Tried it before, to much synergie cards for the bot in my opinion.
- 6. Token druid: Can work, has to be tried out. Very simulair to midrange druid which i has small succes with before.
- 7. Face hunter: It's back. Can very much work even without files, just set your settings.txt to face and try it out
- 8. Zoolock: This is accualy discard-zoolock. I dont see this work anytime soon.
- 9. Freeze mage: forget it
10. Dragon warrior: Has potential, one rank 5 this month aswell.
11. Malygos Rogue: forget it.

Tier 3, 4 and 5 iam not gonna mention. Focus on the top tiers. I would love to see some people try out on of the decks in tier 2. esp. 4 and 7 - maybe 6.


TLDR: My current mid-range shaman will hit rank 5 next month unchanged aswell without doubt - but please try some decks in tier 2 so we get some data from it.
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#1347 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 7:08:23 AM(UTC)

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I'd like to try but i can't find settings on Github, any advice?
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#1348 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:29:23 AM(UTC)

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Kraker01;42717 wrote:
I'd like to try but i can't find settings on Github, any advice?


Settings.txt is autoincluded with silverfish
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#1349 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:45:16 AM(UTC)

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Dre;42722 wrote:
Settings.txt is autoincluded with silverfish


Sorry I meant deck list!
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#1350 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:28:33 AM(UTC)

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Kraker01;42723 wrote:
Sorry I meant deck list!


ah https://tempostorm.com/h...shot/standard/2016-10-27
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#1352 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:13:33 PM(UTC)

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i did some modifications to dre's deck somewhat slightly.
i added doomhammer. i also teched in an ooze
so far 60% win rate from 14-5 in 8 hours.
i dont think its about the end of the season that made the climb so quick. yesterday my win rate without teching in those 2 cards against hunter was about 30%. against mirror deck shaman was about 40%. 40% against zoolock. i was beating mage easily. (80%) 80% against warrior.
however you dont run into many mages.


hunters also caused me not to have a single win streak in 14 hours although the win rate was 52+%
currently 40% of the decks ive played against in the past 3 days are hunters 30% shamans.
just playing around those 2 would be very effective.


i think the difference this card makes is against other shamans as well as secret hunters.
so far im 70+% win rate(10+ games) over hunter and 60% over shamans. 100% over zoolock (5 games small sample size)
win rate against warrior, mage, and maybe other decks too might drop in win rate. however other decks almost never appear.

hope u guys find it helpful.
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#1353 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 3:30:45 PM(UTC)
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otkpotato;42730 wrote:
i did some modifications to dre's deck somewhat slightly.
i added doomhammer. i also teched in an ooze
so far 60% win rate from 14-5 in 8 hours.
i dont think its about the end of the season that made the climb so quick. yesterday my win rate without teching in those 2 cards against hunter was about 30%. against mirror deck shaman was about 40%. 40% against zoolock. i was beating mage easily. (80%) 80% against warrior.
however you dont run into many mages.


hunters also caused me not to have a single win streak in 14 hours although the win rate was 52+%
currently 40% of the decks ive played against in the past 3 days are hunters 30% shamans.
just playing around those 2 would be very effective.


i think the difference this card makes is against other shamans as well as secret hunters.
so far im 70+% win rate(10+ games) over hunter and 60% over shamans. 100% over zoolock (5 games small sample size)
win rate against warrior, mage, and maybe other decks too might drop in win rate. however other decks almost never appear.

hope u guys find it helpful.


did you use dr dree mulligan and combo txt's?
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#1354 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 4:27:50 PM(UTC)

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yes i used his mulligan and combo most of the cards remain the same. i wonder if i should add ooze to mulligan for hunter warrior and shaman not sure yet.

i realize ive been losing to a lot of non meta decks like dragon paladin and reno mage. not sure if those decks are favored or just luck of the draw.

ok today i realize that about 50% of decks, maybe because of lower ranks on another account, play a ton of control. approximately 50% of them play control. going to be a slow climb because its hard to tech against a huge variety.
so far on my other account 15 games, gone against cthun druid, cthun warrior, dragon control pala, everyfin pala, freeze mage, reno mage, renolock. thats a crap ton of control.... gdluck guys

well just played against a dragon druid... lost ofcourse.
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#1355 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 8:57:23 PM(UTC)

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otkpotato;42733 wrote:
yes i used his mulligan and combo most of the cards remain the same. i wonder if i should add ooze to mulligan for hunter warrior and shaman not sure yet.

i realize ive been losing to a lot of non meta decks like dragon paladin and reno mage. not sure if those decks are favored or just luck of the draw.

ok today i realize that about 50% of decks, maybe because of lower ranks on another account, play a ton of control. approximately 50% of them play control. going to be a slow climb because its hard to tech against a huge variety.
so far on my other account 15 games, gone against cthun druid, cthun warrior, dragon control pala, everyfin pala, freeze mage, reno mage, renolock. thats a crap ton of control.... gdluck guys

well just played against a dragon druid... lost ofcourse.



yeah rank lower than 10 is current very anti shaman on eu. controls with lots of aoe and removals . i cant climb out of it
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@dre do you reckon swapping out something in the mid shaman for a harrison would be good for all these shammy, hunter and warrior weapons that are currently being used.
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#1356 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:52:00 PM(UTC)

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mrgodai;42736 wrote:
yeah rank lower than 10 is current very anti shaman on eu. controls with lots of aoe and removals . i cant climb out of it



yup i agree its the same in US too. suddenly a ton of controls. from the 30 games my lower ranked account played, about 60% of them are control. i dont have rag so i teched in a sylv for them do make awkward trades,
and i dont know if you want to take a risk, but i removed both lightning bolts for flamewreathed and fire elemental. holding a lot better against control while going even with other mid range.

the thing is most mid range shaman decks you play against you basically just need AOE + removal for thunderbluff. controls have plenty of removal so the moment your thunderbluff is removed you got nothing left.
not to mention usually with thunderbluff you spend mana hero powering. after its removed suddenly you realize you're out of steam and then its over. i had success with argent horserider in the higher ranks but lower ranks against control it really doesnt do anything. even if you gain board control and burst them down to 10, the moment they have an answer to thunder bluff they'll quickly turn it around again. ive lost plenty of games with the opponent with 5-8hp.

controls can turn around their early game deficit pretty easily with AOE, removals and taunts so it made me reconsider the argent, lightning bolt and opt for board control in the mid game rather than the early.

well its just a temporary measure until i climb out of the control group.

other than losing to the more uncommon pure aggro like face hunter and pirate warrior, going against control was no longer a disastrous match up while pretty unchanged against midrange. i played against a justicar priest that stole my sylv, flamewreathed, fire elementals etc etc. i was watching the bot play, i almost shed a tear.
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#1357 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:32:06 PM(UTC)

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otkpotato;42738 wrote:
yup i agree its the same in US too. suddenly a ton of controls. from the 30 games my lower ranked account played, about 60% of them are control. i dont have rag so i teched in a sylv for them do make awkward trades,
and i dont know if you want to take a risk, but i removed both lightning bolts for flamewreathed and fire elemental. holding a lot better against control while going even with other mid range.

the thing is most mid range shaman decks you play against you basically just need AOE + removal for thunderbluff. controls have plenty of removal so the moment your thunderbluff is removed you got nothing left.
not to mention usually with thunderbluff you spend mana hero powering. after its removed suddenly you realize you're out of steam and then its over. i had success with argent horserider in the higher ranks but lower ranks against control it really doesnt do anything. even if you gain board control and burst them down to 10, the moment they have an answer to thunder bluff they'll quickly turn it around again. ive lost plenty of games with the opponent with 5-8hp.

controls can turn around their early game deficit pretty easily with AOE, removals and taunts so it made me reconsider the argent, lightning bolt and opt for board control in the mid game rather than the early.

well its just a temporary measure until i climb out of the control group.

other than losing to the more uncommon pure aggro like face hunter and pirate warrior, going against control was no longer a disastrous match up while pretty unchanged against midrange. i played against a justicar priest that stole my sylv, flamewreathed, fire elementals etc etc. i was watching the bot play, i almost shed a tear.




thanks for the ooze idea now i am 9 from 11! btw you might want to try 1 bloodlust instwad of sylv. and see my previous rank 5 post on a cheaper deck that got to 5 on na
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#1358 Posted : Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:42:39 PM(UTC)

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mrgodai;42739 wrote:
thanks for the ooze idea now i am 9 from 11! btw you might want to try 1 bloodlust instwad of sylv. and see my previous rank 5 post on a cheaper deck that got to 5 on na


yea im already running 1 blood. the thing about that cheaper deck i doubt it played against aggro cuz the argent horserider would have gotten rekt.
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#1361 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2016 12:23:27 AM(UTC)

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ok so ive been losing to control. controls run a lot of cycle.
so ive been watching the bot. its been hexing acolyte of pain.
what the flying fk? i faced 2 control warriors back to back. whats with the acolyte hex? it hexed acolyte from freeze mage too.
noRecalcNeeded!!!-----------------------------------
nmgsim-
nmgsime-
play hex id 33, target acolyteofpain id 47, pos 1
playcard: Hex target: Acolyte of Pain choice: 0 place1
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#1362 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2016 3:34:35 AM(UTC)

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Guys you can stll use my Hunter if you lose to much against control
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#1363 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2016 4:42:13 AM(UTC)

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Dre;42744 wrote:
Guys you can stll use my Hunter if you lose to much against control


coulda been better ive been observing the bot play. quite a few misplays im gonna send the logs now. not sure if its the new 124 or its been there all along. i dont know why quite a few instances decides to go face rather than clear board especially with huge threats like flamewaker or tunnel trogg etc etc.
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#1364 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:22:39 PM(UTC)

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otkpotato;42750 wrote:
coulda been better ive been observing the bot play. quite a few misplays im gonna send the logs now. not sure if its the new 124 or its been there all along. i dont know why quite a few instances decides to go face rather than clear board especially with huge threats like flamewaker or tunnel trogg etc etc.


i notice this too, you can change enfacehp in the setting to 10 instead of 29
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#1365 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2016 2:48:08 PM(UTC)

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mrgodai;42763 wrote:
i notice this too, you can change enfacehp in the setting to 10 instead of 29


are you using 123.7 or 124 for silverfish?
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#1369 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2016 3:23:28 PM(UTC)
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Just hit Rank 4 with Dre's Midrange Shaman on EU Servers
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otkpotato;42764 wrote:
are you using 123.7 or 124 for silverfish?



124, i dont think i've seen that behavior in 123.7 unless lethal.

also i notice in 124, bot will re-equipt spirit claw when there is still 1 charge left just to fill mana, what a waste
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