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#682 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 8:53:47 PM(UTC)

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Elekid;39869 wrote:
Attacking it with just the Imp Gang Boss would have straight out killed the Azure Drake. Elven Archer could have survived and deal face damage.


188. attackWithMinion: Elven Archer target: Azure Drake choice: 0 place0
same turn:
331. attackWithMinion: Imp Gang Boss target: Azure Drake choice: 0 place0


The logs says imp gang boss was 3/1 and the azure drake was 4/4, was that not true?

@nsiaonsaiosn - That's the HR data sync bug, Joy needs to fix it in HR. In that specific example it usually notices the slime after a while if there is enough time.

@Dre - speed=false is forced in all my builds.

@Elekid again - Thunderbluff Valiant is prioritized but it looks like the extreme face damage was valued more.
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#689 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 8:57:15 PM(UTC)

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nsiaonsaiosn;39875 wrote:

Another misplay I saw was the bot did not play Tirion for taunt when enemy had lethal on board, but played N'zoth instead.

Refer to the OP about logs.
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#691 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:27:08 PM(UTC)

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The bot might be able to properly placed units for flametongue and direwolf with really high maxwides like 30k. Can someone confirm? I saw it once so I can't confirm yet.
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#683 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2016 4:07:10 AM(UTC)
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sepefeets;39876 wrote:
The logs says imp gang boss was 3/1 and the azure drake was 4/4, was that not true?


Sorry, can't recall correctly, maybe my math was off.
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#697 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2016 4:25:04 AM(UTC)

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http://pastebin.com/3xb799ae

On turn 7 i had 2 mana left but bot ended turn instead of using it for hero power


@Sepe, maybe in your first post you can change the link about the combo to my guide?
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#698 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2016 1:32:22 PM(UTC)

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What does enemyTurnMaxWideSecondTime do?

http://pastebin.com/XnB3jiiG

Turn 3, I don't think the bot recognises the egg has been silenced. Can you lower the value of abusive/PO+egg by a little bit if it's been silenced?

Turn 6, should send in both 1/1s then soulfire.

Turn 9, there should be a small penalty for attacking minions with img gangboss when the board is too full.

http://pastebin.com/ECGUmhtL

Turn 6, should buff the imp gang boss and attack with it instead to spawn an extra 1/1

I should mention one thing. Understanding the cards you can draw from your deck isn't as important as playing around the cards in your opponent's deck.
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#699 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2016 4:19:16 PM(UTC)

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Does anyone have the automatic switcher working? I have serval folders:

C:\Program Files\HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\Data\Hunter\Midrange Hunter
C:\Program Files\HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\Data\Shaman\Midrange Shaman
C:\Program Files\HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\Data\Warlock\ZooLock

etc with the files in them, but when i select for instance Zoolock to play with it never reaches to the zoolock folder to get the files from. It just uses the files allready in the Silverfish folder

Then i removed all custom files from the silverfish folder in the hope the bot will copy the right files from the folder, but then it just says mulligan not found / combo not found ect, and starts to mulligan and play without files.

Confused how this is working.
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#700 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2016 4:20:31 PM(UTC)
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sepefeets;37784 wrote:
when you select mine in HR it should be the only one listed and the version number should end with SE.


Is that still a thing? Because...

I followed install instructions, confirmed no other silver.exe/silver.dll, confirmed v122.5 via .exe properties, confirmed external process True, and a silver.exe console window opens when I start HR, first line is ...

init Silverfish V122.5SE...

...but when I select silver.dll in HR "Bot Control Option", the text to the right of the dropdown box says...

( Author of HR-Silver-translator: Rush4xDev This is silver fish A.I. module. your are running version V120.00 on speed.
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#692 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2016 5:23:53 PM(UTC)

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sadpwner;39879 wrote:
The bot might be able to properly placed units for flametongue and direwolf with really high maxwides like 30k. Can someone confirm? I saw it once so I can't confirm yet.

You can just sim a board where it misplayed and change the maxwide to see.

Dre;39885 wrote:

@Sepe, maybe in your first post you can change the link about the combo to my guide?

Added as an additional link.

Dre;39896 wrote:
Does anyone have the automatic switcher working? I have serval folders:

C:\Program Files\HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\Data\Hunter\Midrange Hunter
C:\Program Files\HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\Data\Shaman\Midrange Shaman
C:\Program Files\HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\Data\Warlock\ZooLock

etc with the files in them, but when i select for instance Zoolock to play with it never reaches to the zoolock folder to get the files from. It just uses the files allready in the Silverfish folder

Then i removed all custom files from the silverfish folder in the hope the bot will copy the right files from the folder, but then it just says mulligan not found / combo not found ect, and starts to mulligan and play without files.

Confused how this is working.

Make sure that the folder is named exactly the same as your deck. When it starts the first game it should tell you what the class and deck names are. Also try putting the config files into the class folder while you are getting it set up so that it is easier to tell if something is wrong with the deck name that is hard to see. I never checked case sensitivity (I think it depends on the underlying filesystem) but would recommend you just make it exactly the same capitalization to avoid any confusion.


@glurph - You have HR's .dll with my .exe, you need to reinstall it.
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#694 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2016 5:48:26 PM(UTC)

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sepefeets;39898 wrote:

Make sure that the folder is named exactly the same as your deck. When it starts the first game it should tell you what the class and deck names are. Also try putting the config files into the class folder while you are getting it set up so that it is easier to tell if something is wrong with the deck name that is hard to see. I never checked case sensitivity (I think it depends on the underlying filesystem) but would recommend you just make it exactly the same capitalization to avoid any confusion.


I even copied the names from my deck and pasted it for the folders to make sure. It doesnt even search for the maps... I did test this in practisemode though because i didnt want to fuck up in accual play. But i assume its active in practisemode aswell?

EDIT: It reads the files (tested in casual now) if its in the folder \Data\Hunter but NOT when they are in \Data\Hunter\Midrange Hunter (again i copied the name right of the deck there can be no mistake in spelling)
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#693 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:39:33 PM(UTC)
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sepefeets;39898 wrote:
You have HR's .dll with my .exe, you need to reinstall it.


Thx.

Just for my curiousity/understanding,..

If HR is using silver.exe as an external process (per settings file), the .dll isn't used... correct?
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#695 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2016 9:59:17 PM(UTC)

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Dre;39899 wrote:
I even copied the names from my deck and pasted it for the folders to make sure. It doesnt even search for the maps... I did test this in practisemode though because i didnt want to fuck up in accual play. But i assume its active in practisemode aswell?

EDIT: It reads the files (tested in casual now) if its in the folder \Data\Hunter but NOT when they are in \Data\Hunter\Midrange Hunter (again i copied the name right of the deck there can be no mistake in spelling)

Look in your Logging.txt file and try to searching for "deck" to try to double check that w/e you are copying matches what SF is searching for and there aren't some hidden characters or w/e. Then try opening currdeck.txt, put Midrange Hunter;hunter; and save it but keep notepad open because the file will erase every time, then run Silver.exe and see what it loads, and play around with it to try to see if you can load other deck;class; this way.

glurph;39900 wrote:
Thx.

Just for my curiousity/understanding,..

If HR is using silver.exe as an external process (per settings file), the .dll isn't used... correct?

The .dll is always used for mulligan/settings/logging/interfacing with HR, the .exe just handles board sims when it's active which is the heavy processing.
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#696 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2016 3:26:58 AM(UTC)

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sepefeets;39903 wrote:
Look in your Logging.txt file and try to searching for "deck" to try to double check that w/e you are copying matches what SF is searching for and there aren't some hidden characters or w/e. Then try opening currdeck.txt, put Midrange Hunter;hunter; and save it but keep notepad open because the file will erase every time, then run Silver.exe and see what it loads, and play around with it to try to see if you can load other deck;class; this way.


Will do your tests but, yesterday I did the copying vise-verse aswell so, coping the name of the folder and pasting it in hearthstone as my deck name. I can allmost centainly exclude any misspelling, in the Rank 5 tread was also the problem with not reading his files from Data\Paladin\Secrets (asuming his deckname is Secrets) but it didnt work for him either
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#701 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2016 4:51:15 AM(UTC)

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Seems a high maxwide doesn't do anything for unit placement.

btw What does enemyTurnMaxWideSecondTime do?
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#702 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2016 5:01:14 AM(UTC)
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#703 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2016 6:11:38 AM(UTC)

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Elekid;39913 wrote:
643. ravagingghoul OG_149 zp:1 e:38 A:5 H:1 mH:3 rdy:True natt:0 ex chrg(2)

Why doesn't the bot kill the Ravaging Ghoul with Mortal coil here? Also it missplaces the defender of Argus afterwards, but I've become used tot that.


It didnt use mortal coil, because when you had used mortal coil you had 5 mana left. which u left u with only playing defender or tap + wolf

Your play would have resulted in: 2/2 with taunt (with 1/1 spawn deathrattle) + defender + one card extra in hand. Enemy board cleared. and 1 mana lost. (ending with 1/6)
Or even more likely it will cause to play wolf + tap so u end up with:
2/1 (with 1/1 spawn deathrattle) + 2/2 wolf + 2 extra cards. Enemy board cleared and 1 mana lost (ending with 1/6)


The bot's play was more value (if you count the defender on the right place it would have resulted in:
1/1 with taunt, defender +1 dmg, 2/2 with taunt, enemy board cleared, and all mana spend. (this was when dender was in pos 2)

Even with defender in pos 3 it was better. Defender in pos 1 might be the worst place for defender in this case. But i personaly value it still higher over the mortal coil play because that would end up with 5 mana and result in mana loss and tempo loss. on a moment you didnt rly need the extra card.

Edit: Not recomended but if you rly want it, increasing the value of defender by 35 will cast coil + life tap + play wolf. But dunno how it will behave on plays where u want defender to be played.

@sepe: Nothing i do or change in settings when simming the turn will cause defender to be played in pos 2. Tried: aoe on/off. Settings to over 50.000 maxwide, all play modes (rush/face/mana/control) placemnt on/off
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#704 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2016 2:07:21 PM(UTC)

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http://pastebin.com/iyViXQDF

Turn 3, should have went all face or at least used the voidwalker to kill scarab.
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#706 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2016 4:05:50 PM(UTC)

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http://pastebin.com/raw/7XyhQvtF

The bot never seems to want to use certain secrets, I don't know how representative this game is but I believe this is one where it just kept Redemption in hand and literally never used it. I could understand the logic of maybe holding onto an Avenge drawn on turn 4 or 5 with MC because it wants to get the 2nd off the MC and then have the one in hand for later on, but Redemption is a one of

http://pastebin.com/sjdvvsSd

In this one, I believe it's not casting Noble Sacrifice after Steward of Darkshire, which is one of the best interactions in the deck. This might not be the one, but I know I've seen it happen quite often.

http://pastebin.com/fu6LA0yR

2 minions on board, 2 avenges in hand, it passes with both avenges for no apparent reason.

There are probably others, but these are just the two I saw when I wasn't trying to monitor it 24/7. I'm using the same Secret Paladin Wild deck that was in the github

This is what Silverfish says when it initially starts:

#ConsoleLog: you are now running uai V122.4SE
#ConsoleLog: ----------------------------
#ConsoleLog: YOU USE SILVER.EXE FOR CALCULATION, MAKE SURE YOU STARTED IT!
#ConsoleLog: SILVER.EXE IS LOCATED IN: C:\Users\XXXXXXXX\Downloads\HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\
#ConsoleLog: New Deck: "Secrets", Old Deck: ""
#ConsoleLog: New Class: "Paladin", Old Class: "Druid"
#ConsoleLog: read deck Secrets\_combo.txt...
#ConsoleLog: 12 combo rules found
#ConsoleLog: can't find _discovery.txt (if you didn't create your own discovery file, ignore this message)
#ConsoleLog: [Mulligan] read deck Secrets\_mulligan.txt...
#ConsoleLog: [Mulligan] 31 rules found
#ConsoleLog: read deck Secrets\settings.txt...
#ConsoleLog: current alpha is 0.5
#ConsoleLog: set enemy-face-hp to: 29
#ConsoleLog: set maxwide to: 5000
#ConsoleLog: calculate the second turn of the 1000 best boards
#ConsoleLog: simulates the enemy turn on your second turn
#ConsoleLog: cards on hand for mulligan: FP1_002
#ConsoleLog: cards on hand for mulligan: FP1_020
#ConsoleLog: cards on hand for mulligan: LOE_017

The bot is currently 43% win rate, started at rank 12, now at 13 = / no way it's working properly if people are consistently hitting 5 and I can't maintain a 50% WR at 12. Sigh

Second edit: Just watched as it used Keeper of Uldaman on the 4/12 Ysera, then used the 6/6 Mysterious Challenger to clear out the 0/2 Healing Stream Totem, pass with Noble Sacrifice in hand and 4 mana crystals, so the enemy shaman could use Ancestral Spirit on the Ysera and then wipe the board, getting 2 of them. I think I'll just go back to 30 wins a day with zoo at a 50% win rate, at least that isn't 20 minutes of frustration watching missplay after missplay when everything is supposedly working.
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#707 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:38:57 PM(UTC)

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carins;39920 wrote:

This is what Silverfish says when it initially starts:

#ConsoleLog: you are now running uai V122.4SE
#ConsoleLog: ----------------------------
#ConsoleLog: YOU USE SILVER.EXE FOR CALCULATION, MAKE SURE YOU STARTED IT!
#ConsoleLog: SILVER.EXE IS LOCATED IN: C:\Users\XXXXXXXX\Downloads\HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\
#ConsoleLog: New Deck: "Secrets", Old Deck: ""
#ConsoleLog: New Class: "Paladin", Old Class: "Druid"
#ConsoleLog: read deck Secrets\_combo.txt...
#ConsoleLog: 12 combo rules found
#ConsoleLog: can't find _discovery.txt (if you didn't create your own discovery file, ignore this message)
#ConsoleLog: [Mulligan] read deck Secrets\_mulligan.txt...
#ConsoleLog: [Mulligan] 31 rules found
#ConsoleLog: read deck Secrets\settings.txt...
#ConsoleLog: current alpha is 0.5
#ConsoleLog: set enemy-face-hp to: 29
#ConsoleLog: set maxwide to: 5000
#ConsoleLog: calculate the second turn of the 1000 best boards
#ConsoleLog: simulates the enemy turn on your second turn
#ConsoleLog: cards on hand for mulligan: FP1_002
#ConsoleLog: cards on hand for mulligan: FP1_020
#ConsoleLog: cards on hand for mulligan: LOE_017

Hey, you finally got setting switching to work! Do you know what you did to fix it for Dre and others to know?

I'll look into why it doesn't want to play secrets but FYI that deck list hasn't gotten much testing and could use some help with combos, it was just thrown in with the files for classic style secret pally although a couple people did well with it right after old gods launched...
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#705 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:42:28 PM(UTC)

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sadpwner;39919 wrote:
http://pastebin.com/iyViXQDF

Turn 3, should have went all face or at least used the voidwalker to kill scarab.

Wrong log? Sounds like some micro-optimization that is never going to happen anyways...

Please cut down your reports to big blatant misplays, I don't have time to fix every tiny little thing and even if I did then changing the little things usually just causes other misplays to start occurring.
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