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Photonious
#185 Posted : Saturday, July 16, 2016 6:33:57 PM(UTC)

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In Scott's Midrange Shaman, I changed the settings to run as rush instead of control. My WR went up to 90% from 60%. This was in casual (for gold mining).
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#186 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 4:45:08 AM(UTC)

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Yesterday I pushed to rank 5 with my version of mid-range Shaman - Deck changed to this season from Tempo Storm with 2 cards changed acording to a comment. So it's this deck with these changes from fiat500 comment " My version of this deck doesn't have stormcrack or Argent Horserider and two faceless." But the decklist is also in my files

My winrate from last night hitting rank 5:


In the next few days i will perfect my files, look for misplays in the logs and post them in the silverfish tread. But wanted to share my files as they are now. since I hit rank 5 with it.


Here are the files
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#187 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 11:16:25 AM(UTC)
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Dre;39700 wrote:
Yesterday I pushed to rank 5 with my version of mid-range Shaman - Deck changed to this season from Tempo Storm with 2 cards changed acording to a comment. So it's this deck with these changes from fiat500 comment " My version of this deck doesn't have stormcrack or Argent Horserider and two faceless." But the decklist is also in my files

My winrate from last night hitting rank 5:


In the next few days i will perfect my files, look for misplays in the logs and post them in the silverfish tread. But wanted to share my files as they are now. since I hit rank 5 with it.


Here are the files


Thank you for sharing it but in your deck file is missing one card...

I think the card missing is : Thunder Bluff Valiant

Regards.
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#188 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 11:39:27 AM(UTC)

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oijkn;39703 wrote:
Thank you for sharing it but in your deck file is missing one card...

I think the card missing is : Thunder Bluff Valiant

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Yes sorry! it was Thunder Bluff - I changed it now
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#189 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:16:24 PM(UTC)

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Dre;39705 wrote:
Yes sorry! it was Thunder Bluff - I changed it now


Any suggestions for an Al'Akir replacement?
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#190 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:57:33 PM(UTC)

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Photonious;39709 wrote:
Any suggestions for an Al'Akir replacement?


Al'Akir is a finisher in this deck esp combined with rockbiter, but if you don't have it i would considdering using doomhammer instead. But then u need to add this combo to your _combo.txt:

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// [Nudge] [5] Doomhammer (EX1_567) + [1] Rockbiter Weapon (CS2_045)
EX1_567,0;CS2_045,12;bonus:50;hero:shaman

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#194 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:08:52 PM(UTC)

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I have no idea why, but since about 2 weeks i cant get higher than about 30-40% winrate, whats goin wrong ?, i even did reinstall the HR, copied the new Silverfish the decks and did all the same as the last time ... is there a trick or some settings i have to specíal do for better plays ? maybe someone has a tip...

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#195 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:33:06 PM(UTC)

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rffc;39711 wrote:
I have no idea why, but since about 2 weeks i cant get higher than about 30-40% winrate, whats goin wrong ?, i even did reinstall the HR, copied the new Silverfish the decks and did all the same as the last time ... is there a trick or some settings i have to specíal do for better plays ? maybe someone has a tip...

sincerely

Don't feel too bad about it. I am at 48% WR at rank 14 with scottbreak midrange shaman. Meanwhile, someone already reached rank 5 this month with the same deck/settings. I think we are just unlucky, playing at the wrong times, or in a more difficult zone. I expect it will pick up in the next week.
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#196 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 2:58:22 PM(UTC)

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parakeet;39712 wrote:
Don't feel too bad about it. I am at 48% WR at rank 14 with scottbreak midrange shaman. Meanwhile, someone already reached rank 5 this month with the same deck/settings. I think we are just unlucky, playing at the wrong times, or in a more difficult zone. I expect it will pick up in the next week.


Also be aware that you adept to the meta. A deck can be good in one week, but the meta can change so its bad. There is no deck good against ALL other decks. You can check what you are losing against and howmuch you encounter it. Dont pick hunter if you face allot of warrior. And dont pick midrange shaman when you face allot of warlock. Scot did a good job at his deck and last season it had succes. But now its a little.worse. Hence I made my version for this current meta.
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#197 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 3:51:05 PM(UTC)

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I don't feel there should be any huge differences between the bots like that, assuming they're working properly. A bot that has no human emotion, can't tilt, plays the same constantly, should not be getting rank 5 with one person and rank 14 with another, all other things considered. Especially if the deck is tier 1. My bot is averaging a 57% win rate at rank 12, and I had to intervene in 2 games, because I'm seeing tons of misplays and I have no idea how to correct them or alternate it's behavior. But when people are hitting rank 5, and I'm stuck at rank 12 while my bot passes on 10 mana without playing Steward of Darkshire against an empty board with 1 card in the enemy player's hand, something is up. But to the above point, the last stats from Blizzard show that almost all classes are represented between 7-15%, so even if it feels like you're playing nothing but the same classes, statistically it evens out.
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#198 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 4:03:06 PM(UTC)

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carins;39714 wrote:
I don't feel there should be any huge differences between the bots like that, assuming they're working properly. A bot that has no human emotion, can't tilt, plays the same constantly, should not be getting rank 5 with one person and rank 14 with another, all other things considered. Especially if the deck is tier 1. My bot is averaging a 57% win rate at rank 12, and I had to intervene in 2 games, because I'm seeing tons of misplays and I have no idea how to correct them or alternate it's behavior. But when people are hitting rank 5, and I'm stuck at rank 12 while my bot passes on 10 mana without playing Steward of Darkshire against an empty board with 1 card in the enemy player's hand, something is up. But to the above point, the last stats from Blizzard show that almost all classes are represented between 7-15%, so even if it feels like you're playing nothing but the same classes, statistically it evens out.


If everything is updated, ran as admin, and the files are in the right place. Then just let the missplay happen en then go to your install folder HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\SilverLogs and copy the log from the fight to the forum (using pastebin or such) and then we can check why it plays it, if its a missplay it will get on sepe's todo list :)

Also yes there is a huge difference, the bot makes the same plays maybe but not your oponents. The meta can be very agressive one week and more controllish another. Also decks may work some week but not another. IF you play HS manualy aswell / follow some streamers / do some research you will find this out fast.

Maybe the bot is more complex then you think, it looks at allot of things before playing the card. calculates the possibiliy of the oponents has a boardclear in a certain stage of the game for certain heroes / looks at cards in your hand / cards on the board / what class you are against and so on. So its not a static play. The same 2 drop minion can in one board be played but not in another - most of the time because of a good reason.

57% winrate is really high aswell - no-one here would be complaining with these Wr. You dont get stuck at rank 12 with that wr. Unless you are only botting 2 games a day ofc.
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#191 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 4:18:57 PM(UTC)

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Dre;39710 wrote:
Al'Akir is a finisher in this deck esp combined with rockbiter, but if you don't have it i would considdering using doomhammer instead. But then u need to add this combo to your _combo.txt:

Code:

// [Nudge] [5] Doomhammer (EX1_567) + [1] Rockbiter Weapon (CS2_045)
EX1_567,0;CS2_045,12;bonus:50;hero:shaman



That's what I ended up doing :)

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#201 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:13:42 PM(UTC)

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I ve never seen the bot playin around some AOE cards !
is that normal ? today about 5 times seen, on turn 4 vs a warrior the bot plays all cards and trades with the deathrattle minions that could survive an AOE of the enemy ..... what happens turn 5 ofc... brawl and now 0 cards on the hand the .... game lost ....
same against a priest, shaman and so on...

how can u guys get to rank5 with that bot ? or is that only at me ? may i have wrong settings no idea ?!

maybe sbdy can give me tips pls...
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#199 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 6:10:28 PM(UTC)

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Dre;39715 wrote:
If everything is updated, ran as admin, and the files are in the right place. Then just let the missplay happen en then go to your install folder HearthRanger\ExternBot\Silverfish\SilverLogs and copy the log from the fight to the forum (using pastebin or such) and then we can check why it plays it, if its a missplay it will get on sepe's todo list :)

Also yes there is a huge difference, the bot makes the same plays maybe but not your oponents. The meta can be very agressive one week and more controllish another. Also decks may work some week but not another. IF you play HS manualy aswell / follow some streamers / do some research you will find this out fast.

Maybe the bot is more complex then you think, it looks at allot of things before playing the card. calculates the possibiliy of the oponents has a boardclear in a certain stage of the game for certain heroes / looks at cards in your hand / cards on the board / what class you are against and so on. So its not a static play. The same 2 drop minion can in one board be played but not in another - most of the time because of a good reason.

57% winrate is really high aswell - no-one here would be complaining with these Wr. You dont get stuck at rank 12 with that wr. Unless you are only botting 2 games a day ofc.


Right, you are correct, which is why I don't really know what to say. It seems odd that the bot would pass with that hand, but if it's doing the mathematical calculations it's possible I';m missing something., which makes it hard to determine if it's an error or I'm wrong. It also doesn't help that I'm not 100% sure it's set up properly, lol. I have the extern bot file path with the updated settings / combo / mulligan files, and also in the base folder as well, just because I was paranoid it wasn't working.

And you're right, with a 57% win rate it should be rising, and (theoretically) eventually capping at rank 5 as long as it stays over 50%, due to the win streaks. But after 32 games I had only gone up 2 stars, so wasn't sure what to think. I have no problem letting it run for 30-50 games a day if it's working properly. I'm not one to whine and complain about hitting Legend in 4 hours or anything like that, I was just trying to determine if it's working. I'm very thankful that it's rank 10, just right now, even if it never goes higher. I could push to 5 manually if necessary for the rewards. But if it gets to 5 on its own, I can try to push for Legend each month for the card back.

I suppose you're right about the trends. I remember last month I played rank 7-5 for an entire day and literally saw 100% warrior, warlock, rogue, shaman, despite the overall picture that they each make up roughly 1/9 of the meta on any given day. But I'm using Secret Paladin because it seems like most people in this thread agree that it's less computationally extreme than the other decks so there's less of a chance of roping, plus the games don't typically go 20 turns. It's just weird seeing things like playing Muster on an empty board, then passing without attacking face, even though Truesilver is in hand and the bot probably has a 95-100% chance to play it the following few turns so it's missing 1 damage for no reason, not playing Repentance on turn 6 with nothing else in hand, etc. But I'm going to just let it go a few days on its own, then I'll post the results, and hopefully all is well

Edit: After another 30 games, it's regressed down to 53% win rate, probably going to go under 50% soon. Doh

http://pastebin.com/raw/3ZmbUw0T Here's a game where the bot kept 5-6 secrets in hand, never playing them, ever
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#200 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2016 9:19:07 PM(UTC)

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And you're right, with a 57% win rate it should be rising, and (theoretically) eventually capping at rank 5 as long as it stays over 50%, due to the win streaks. But after 32 games I had only gone up 2 stars, so wasn't sure what to think.

Something is wrong with your math. 57% wins out of 32 games ~= 18 wins and 14 losses = 4 stars minimum with no streaks.
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#202 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 6:17:21 AM(UTC)

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rffc;39717 wrote:
I ve never seen the bot playin around some AOE cards !
is that normal ? today about 5 times seen, on turn 4 vs a warrior the bot plays all cards and trades with the deathrattle minions that could survive an AOE of the enemy ..... what happens turn 5 ofc... brawl and now 0 cards on the hand the .... game lost ....
same against a priest, shaman and so on...

how can u guys get to rank5 with that bot ? or is that only at me ? may i have wrong settings no idea ?!

maybe sbdy can give me tips pls...

The AOE playaround code is simplistic and outdated for the current meta. I would not recommend using it unless you test and find it offers improvement. Brawl is not even considered in the AOE playaround code.

Enemy Class - Cards Considered:
Warrior - whirlwind
Mage - flamestrike, blizzard
Hunter - unleashthehounds
Priest - holynova
Shaman - lightningstorm
Paladin - consecration
Druid - swipe
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#203 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 10:10:15 AM(UTC)

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parakeet;39726 wrote:
The AOE playaround code is simplistic and outdated for the current meta. I would not recommend using it unless you test and find it offers improvement. Brawl is not even considered in the AOE playaround code.

Enemy Class - Cards Considered:
Warrior - whirlwind
Mage - flamestrike, blizzard
Hunter - unleashthehounds
Priest - holynova
Shaman - lightningstorm
Paladin - consecration
Druid - swipe



I've found that a lot of the Shaman settings files in Sepefeet's Data folder have play around set to true. Should this be something that should be set to false?

Also, is there any drawback/benefit to using speed=true in the settings file?
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#205 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2016 2:27:02 PM(UTC)

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Does anyone know how I can make it so it only plays reliq seeker only if it can activate its battlecry?

Also, how do I get it to play peddler more often? It seems to value tapping over peddler.
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sadpwner;39735 wrote:
Does anyone know how I can make it so it only plays reliq seeker only if it can activate its battlecry?

Also, how do I get it to play peddler more often? It seems to value tapping over peddler.


Most likely by upping or relatively lowering the cardvalue of the cards. Must say i never saw it tapping over dark peddler tho. Maybe you have some logs so i can emulate + try out some stuff?
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sadpwner;39735 wrote:
Does anyone know how I can make it so it only plays reliq seeker only if it can activate its battlecry?

Put a large card value on it. You can modify the board in your test.txt file and see how much the boardvalue is increased by a 5/5 reliqseeker. That could serve as an upper bound on the card value. I expect you need >10.
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