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sepefeets
#1 Posted : Wednesday, June 8, 2016 1:36:48 PM(UTC)

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Project Rank 5

With the Project Nexgen thread officially dead, it's time to start round 3 of decks that don't suck. Use this thread to talk about decks that you think can get rank 5 in either Standard or Wild Ranked mode.

Post all information you can about the deck: decklist, winrate, region, standard/wild, mulligan, combo, settings. In order for the deck to be added to the thread it should achieve rank 10 by the 20th of the month with the bot (manual play doesn't show how well the bot plays it!). If your deck has achieved rank 10 (with the bot!!!) but you don't have mulligans/combos/settings then you may ask for help creating them, but do not ask before then. You may talk about any deck that you believe is strong enough to achieve rank 5, sometimes it may be better in one region than another, but it won't be added to the list until it is proven good.

Decks will be posted to my github:
Click here to browse through the decks (click history to find old files that have been removed)
Click here to download all decks at once. If you have trouble opening it, use 7zip.

Download my branch of Silverfish, these configs are not designed for other versions.

Carefully read everything about how to report misplays in my Silverfish thread, do not report them or post logs in this thread. You can talk about them here but talk won't get anything fixed.

Usefull links:
- Automatic Config Switching explained
- Dre's guide for many things about HR/SF and how to use them

Stats of the current Decks:
Wild Pirate Aggro Warrior - scottbreak *****
Standard Jade Aggro Shaman - Dre
Standard Jade Aggro Shaman - scottbreak
Standard Jade Midrange Shaman - Dre
Standard Pirate Aggro Warrior - scottbreak *+++*
Standard Murloc Pirate Aggro Warrior - Anyzh +

Each + after the deck name is a rank 5 this season in Standard, each * is a rank 5 in Wild. Maximum of 5 +'s/*'s will be shown to keep things clean since it is just meant as a quick visualization whether a deck is performing or not.

Only decks that have performed well last season or this season will be listed here but the github files will still include some older decks that have fallen a little but might be able to perform with a meta shift or some fixes.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 8, 2016 6:21:25 PM(UTC)

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I reached rank 5 last season with Midrange Hunter. So I can confirm it works. This season it reached rank 10 about three days ago, so it climbed pretty fast to rank 10. But it's been stuck there since. It probably just needs more time to reach rank 5, when the good players reach 5-Legend. I used the same files you have there, and a slightly modified N'Zoth deck list. I'm in NA region.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 8, 2016 8:17:19 PM(UTC)
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Hey sorry I'm kind of new here and this question might definitely but pretty obvious but, you must have all the cards in the deck for the combos, mulligans, and settings to work right? I've currently only have basic cards and a few rare and epics. Been stuck in rank 19 haha. Thanks
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:10:59 PM(UTC)

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pmai18;38610 wrote:
Hey sorry I'm kind of new here and this question might definitely but pretty obvious but, you must have all the cards in the deck for the combos, mulligans, and settings to work right? I've currently only have basic cards and a few rare and epics. Been stuck in rank 19 haha. Thanks

The mulligans are mostly about getting the correct low cost things early so anything low cost that is important to get out early needs to be in them but other things do not. The combos are mostly to help force certain cards to be played together and you need all of the cards in the combo or none of them, having only some parts of a combo can have negative effects on the them if their is a penalty to prevent them being played outside the combo. For the most part you can swap out cards with replacements but if it's card you need to mulligan for then make sure it's in the mulligan.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:21:31 PM(UTC)
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Before I was legend with a old bot, I hope be legend again with HearthRanger ^^
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, June 8, 2016 11:21:43 PM(UTC)
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Can I have link to download your latest silverfish please?
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 8, 2016 11:36:43 PM(UTC)
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Thank you for making a thread like this.

I'm currently trying out the midrange shama deck you provided. I'm rank 17 (1 star) and post results in some hours if people are interested.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 12:59:03 AM(UTC)

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liukangz;38621 wrote:
Can I have link to download your latest silverfish please?

http://www.hearthranger....rfish-update--WotOG.aspx
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#3 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 1:49:29 AM(UTC)

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osillo;38609 wrote:
I reached rank 5 last season with Midrange Hunter. So I can confirm it works. This season it reached rank 10 about three days ago, so it climbed pretty fast to rank 10. But it's been stuck there since. It probably just needs more time to reach rank 5, when the good players reach 5-Legend. I used the same files you have there, and a slightly modified N'Zoth deck list. I'm in NA region.


i think u got lucky when u hit rank 5.
i had a crap ton of problems with mid range hunter.
the bot doesnt play freezing trap optimally, which is 100% necessary to hit 5 or higher consistently , played explosive trap against a single high health minion, and the list goes on and on.


i feel that a lot of legend decks wont hit rank 5 without a lucky streak. for example, ive been watching the bot play zoo.
from dark peddler it picks sir finley, then runs out of steam, duh. the bot also overextends 100% of the time when you have the advantage then a huge AOE comes down.
abusive or dark iron +2 attack used to hit face rather than waiting to use for trading up.

brainless decks far better IMO. even mid range shaman is not brainless enough.
tempo and control decks like pirate warrior, tempo mage can hit rank 10 pretty easily.

cthun druid plays klaxxi when cthun hasnt hit 10 yet. but if that gets fixed as well as other issues like hero powering and not hitting anything, it might have a shot at 5 if lucky.


any tier 1/2 decks on tempo storm can hit rank 10. within the same tier, tempo/control decks will fair better for the bot. the harder to play, for example, aggro shaman, the shittier it will be when the bot plays it.
IMO wild secret pala is far and wide, head and shoulders, light years ahead in terms of consistently hitting rank 5.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:17:52 AM(UTC)
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As I said earlier I wanted to give feedback on the Midrange shaman deck.

I know it's not been a lot of hours that the bot has been running but I'm getting very poor results:



Are we supposed to use the silverfish you released for those decks to works? I'm working with the silverfish HearthRanger updates when an update happens...

Edit: These happen at Rank 17 - 18, I followed the deck you provided in midrange shaman and copied the settings, mulligans and combo files.

Update:

still no success at rank 18..
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#12 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 7:07:32 AM(UTC)
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I try deck old paladin secret with your SF + combo/mulligan, atm I'm rank 9

Here stats Rank 15 at 9 http://prntscr.com/be804y
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#4 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:22:59 AM(UTC)

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otkpotato;38625 wrote:
i think u got lucky when u hit rank 5.
i had a crap ton of problems with mid range hunter.
the bot doesnt play freezing trap optimally, which is 100% necessary to hit 5 or higher consistently , played explosive trap against a single high health minion, and the list goes on and on.


i feel that a lot of legend decks wont hit rank 5 without a lucky streak. for example, ive been watching the bot play zoo.
from dark peddler it picks sir finley, then runs out of steam, duh. the bot also overextends 100% of the time when you have the advantage then a huge AOE comes down.
abusive or dark iron +2 attack used to hit face rather than waiting to use for trading up.

brainless decks far better IMO. even mid range shaman is not brainless enough.
tempo and control decks like pirate warrior, tempo mage can hit rank 10 pretty easily.

cthun druid plays klaxxi when cthun hasnt hit 10 yet. but if that gets fixed as well as other issues like hero powering and not hitting anything, it might have a shot at 5 if lucky.


any tier 1/2 decks on tempo storm can hit rank 10. within the same tier, tempo/control decks will fair better for the bot. the harder to play, for example, aggro shaman, the shittier it will be when the bot plays it.
IMO wild secret pala is far and wide, head and shoulders, light years ahead in terms of consistently hitting rank 5.


I don't know if I got lucky, I did it on two accounts. I guess I got lucky twice, hehe. Both reached rank 5. I'll keep testing Midrange Hunter this season and post back results. One account is running the N'Zoth version, the other just a regular more budget version. But you are right, the bot does make lots of miss-plays and I ranked up mostly due to big win-streaks.

BTW I am using the silverfish that comes bundled with the bot.

For now it seems that this is a reliable rank 10 bot, I've actually reached rank 10 multiple times in the past. But rank 5 I've only reached it once, last season. If we could make this bot reach rank 5 consistently it would be awesome.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 10:37:29 AM(UTC)

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Here are the stats of Midrange Hunter. Including last season, where the bot got to rank 5.
This season is stuck hovering between ranks 12-8.

Midrange Hunter Stats
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#14 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 11:35:38 AM(UTC)

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sepefeets;38601 wrote:
With the Project Nexgen thread officially dead, it's time to start round 3 of decks that don't suck.
Use this thread to talk about decks that you think can get rank 5 in either Standard or Wild Ranked mode.

Post all information you can about the deck: decklist, winrate, region, standard/wild, mulligan, combo, settings.
In order for the deck to be added to the thread it should achieve rank 10 by the 20th of the month.
If your deck has achieved rank 10 but you don't have mulligans/combos/settings then you may ask for help creating them, but do not ask before then.
You may talk about any deck that you believe is strong enough to achieve rank 5, sometimes it may be better in one region than another, but it won't be added to the list until it is proven good.

Decks will be post to my github:
Browse: https://github.com/slive...er/Deck%20Settings/Data
Download: https://github.com/slive...ttings/Data.7z?raw=true

Current Decks:
Wild Secret Paladin
Standard Midrange Hunter
Standard Midrange Shaman
Blackoak's old Default rules


This is fantastic! Thank you Sepefeets. I am currently running a Shaman totem deck that is doing pretty well. So far it hit rank 12, but I'm not using a Mulligan Combo. I've tried it on face and control. Depending on the time of day, control will sometimes do a better job.

Here is the decklist:

Primal Fusion,2
Rockbiter Weapon,2
Tunnel Trogg,2
Flametongue Totem,2
Totem Golem,2
Feral Spirit,2
Hex,2
Lightning Storm,1
Mana Tide Totem,2
Tuskarr Totemic,2
Master of Evolution,1
Bloodlust,1
Doomhammer,1
Thunder Bluff Valiant,2
Thing from Below,2
Argent Squire,2
Flame Juggler,2

I've read through the mulligan/combo how-to's, but I haven't had much luck setting one up. Here is the deck in HearthPwn: http://www.hearthpwn.com...1260-xixos-totem-shaman
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#15 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 1:27:37 PM(UTC)
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that's the Secret Nzoth i am using, http://imgur.com/h96uaq8
i think overall this deck is more solid because u have strong drops and less situacional cards so the bot don't need to do so many calculations.

i reached rank 4 in this deck last season.

sepefeets there is just one problem that i am trying to fix, for example i am trying to make the bot make the better tempo play (por example its turn 3 instead of playing harvest golem that is a 3 drop he choose to hero power and play a secret, it happens in the turn 4 too when i have piloted shredder he choose to hero power and play a secret instead of making the better tempo play)

there is some way to fix this?
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#17 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 3:51:29 PM(UTC)

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@otkpotato / @dohh - If you want misplays fixed then report them in my silverfish thread and give logs...

@p0p0 - It's up to you if you want to use my branch of SF but you probably won't do as well without it. If you look at my recent change logs, most of the changes are my own now and are only in my branch, but Joy is welcome to pull anything he wants to. Joy's version may have other things fixed that I don't but usually I add everything that looks significant from HB's or HR's branches of SF.

@Photonious - that list is already covered by my midrange shaman settings.
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@sepefeets

Do you have any combo / mulligan to zoo warlock that is not outdated? Would help me a lot. Anyway your shaman ASC working flawless.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, June 9, 2016 6:42:39 PM(UTC)

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anczej;38643 wrote:
@sepefeets

Do you have any combo / mulligan to zoo warlock that is not outdated? Would help me a lot. Anyway your shaman ASC working flawless.

The old ones probably work pretty good still but if nobody makes one soon then I will within a week. I would be prefer it if other people worked on settings so that I can focus on bugs though. For the most part you can just look at tempostorm or hearthpwn to find mulligans for the the meta decks and then edit an existing mulligan file.
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Hello sepefeets,
I'm starting Standard Shaman with your settings / Silverfish @rank 14.
I will report results in some hours.
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#20 Posted : Friday, June 10, 2016 9:56:48 AM(UTC)

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sepefeets;38645 wrote:
The old ones probably work pretty good still but if nobody makes one soon then I will within a week. I would be prefer it if other people worked on settings so that I can focus on bugs though. For the most part you can just look at tempostorm or hearthpwn to find mulligans for the the meta decks and then edit an existing mulligan file.


Sepefeets, thank you for all your hard work! Do you have any way of receiving donations for everything you do?

I don't know about the rest of the community, but I'd like to buy you a beer, or soda, or water... whatever you drink.

Thanks!
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