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eck22g
#168 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 2:38:28 AM(UTC)
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Zoo Warlock using @Dre files/setup
MAXWIDE - 6000

NA Servers
starting Rank - 14

Currently 12

Lowest bot has hit is 10

Ive had the bot run in the middle of the night and during the mid day.

Will continue to use it over the next few days to see further results
So far :


Power Owerwhelming x2
Abusive Sergeant x2
Flame Imp x2
Voidwalker x2
Dark Peddler x2
Dire Wolf Alpha x1
Haunted Creeper x2
Ironbeak Owl x1
Knife Juggler x2
Nerubian Egg x2
Imp Gang Boss x2
Imp-losion x2
Dark Iron Dwarf x1
Defender of Argus x2
Doomguard x2
Leeroy Jenkins x1
Loatheb x1
Sea Giant x1
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#157 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:05:32 AM(UTC)
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Dre;34765 wrote:
What is strange about the mulligan are the discard rules tho. because the mulligan will discard anything anyway if there is no HOLD for it written.


Is that so? Lets say by default mulligan rules at least one first drop will be kept, but you are saying that if my Leper Gnomes are not in a custom mulligan bot will discard them anyway?

Well, better safe than sorry:

Quote:
// 1 x Leper Gnome
hold;pala;all;EX1_029:1
// 2 x Leper Gnome
hold;pala;all;EX1_029:2;coin


Dre
#158 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:14:55 AM(UTC)

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mirrorrorrim;34775 wrote:
Is that so? Lets say by default mulligan rules at least one first drop will be kept, but you are saying that if my Leper Gnomes are not in a custom mulligan bot will discard them anyway?

Well, better safe than sorry:



You are mixing up 2 things, to clear up:

- IF you HAVE a custom mulligan in the silverfish folder "_mulligan.txt" the bot will discard ALL cards that are not in a hold-rule on that mulligan so if you want to keep leper gnome you have to write a hold rule for it.
- IF you DON'T HAVE a custom _mulligan.txt in your folder, silverfish will by default use his OWN mulligan rules. which is basilcy keep every card <4 or something. i dont know exactly.

so if you want to use a custom _mulligan.txt and you want to keep 1 leper gnome or 2 when you have the coin against all classes your rule is correct. If you dont write any other rules it will Discard ANY other cards then leper gnome though. Alternativly. if you dont have a _mulligan.txt in your silverfish folder. silverfish will probably keep it on default.
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#159 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:44:05 AM(UTC)
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Dre;34776 wrote:
so if you want to use a custom _mulligan.txt and you want to keep 1 leper gnome or 2 when you have the coin against all classes your rule is correct. If you dont write any other rules it will Discard ANY other cards then leper gnome though.


I have been using BlackOak's mulligan rules but the decklist was of heretician. I have added Leper Gnomes instead of Argent Squires but then i noticed that bot is discarding them even tho it is the card you want to have in your starting hand against any class.

Your information explains why. Thanks

heretician
#156 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:24:41 PM(UTC)
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Dre;34765 wrote:
tbf it doesnt matter if there some cards in the mulligan that arnt used in this particulair deck, i often have a mulligan that works for 4-5 decks with like only 2-3 cards difference. The mulligan just holds the cards it gets. So if there is no cons in the deck it wont hurt to have a hold cons in it. It will just not hold it (duh) but if one time you think u want to swap out like a kings for a cons u dont have to adapt your mulligan all the time just for one card. What is strange about the mulligan are the discard rules tho. because the mulligan will discard anything anyway if there is no HOLD for it written. So its unnessesairy.


Yeah the discard rules are strange. I wasn't saying it was bad or anything -- I was just wondering if it was the right mulligan because I had made that mistake a day earlier posting my Tempo Mage deck's _mulligan.txt file. I uploaded an unedited version and that's what I thought this may have been.

But regardless, I added (and removed) a few things to it and it was doing better.

Right now I am at 47W-49L with the deck, it is running on my laptop next to me right now and has been running over night. The problem I am having is I am getting the object reference error with this deck; which is some sort of silverfish error. I had a Warrior deck that was getting that same error and after talking to botmaker he figured out it was Tinkertown Technician that was causing the error so I removed him and everything was good. Now I have to figure out which card is causing the error in this deck because it is happening quite a bit. I think it may be Truesilver Champion although I'm not sure. So far every time I have witnessed it happening, Truesilver Champion has been one of the cards in my hand.

EDIT: The exact error is "Object reference not set to instance of an object" it's common and it sucks :P
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iNiles
#176 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:56:48 PM(UTC)

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Does any1 know how to increase the card value of silences (like owl) as to be held and play on a worthy minion? E.g silencing zombiechow or haunted creep with a minion answer already in hand but it goes for the silence etc.
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#177 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:22:51 PM(UTC)

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iNiles;34792 wrote:
Does any1 know how to increase the card value of silences (like owl) as to be held and play on a worthy minion? E.g silencing zombiechow or haunted creep with a minion answer already in hand but it goes for the silence etc.


Explained that a few times but i will add it to my guide in the weekend probably but add this to _combo.txt
Code:

// Cardvalue Ironbeak Owl
cardvalue:CS2_203,30


Increase the 30 with steps of 10 each if it still "wastes" it. Or lower by 10 (or 5) if it hardly plays it anymore. No testing for owl has been done yet.
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#178 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 5:30:55 PM(UTC)

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Dre;34796 wrote:
Explained that a few times but i will add it to my guide in the weekend probably but add this to _combo.txt
Code:

// Cardvalue Ironbeak Owl
cardvalue:CS2_203,30


Increase the 30 with steps of 10 each if it still "wastes" it. Or lower by 10 (or 5) if it hardly plays it anymore. No testing for owl has been done yet.


Could I do this with doomguard? Would the amounts be comparable? Cuz it misplays on discarding other doomguard etc when play early.
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#179 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 5:53:11 PM(UTC)

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iNiles;34797 wrote:
Could I do this with doomguard? Would the amounts be comparable? Cuz it misplays on discarding other doomguard etc when play early.


Yes i even said iam using This on doomguard just a few comments ago i think haha. I have the value for doomguard on 35 atm. But not tested allot yet
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#181 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 5:58:30 PM(UTC)

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Dre;34798 wrote:
Yes i even said iam using This on doomguard just a few comments ago i think haha. I have the value for doomguard on 35 atm. But not tested allot yet

I'll test it too then! Ty for your help.
eck22g
#169 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:34:05 PM(UTC)
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eck22g;34771 wrote:
Zoo Warlock using @Dre files/setup
MAXWIDE - 6000

NA Servers
starting Rank - 14

Currently 12

Lowest bot has hit is 10

Ive had the bot run in the middle of the night and during the mid day.

Will continue to use it over the next few days to see further results
So far :


Power Owerwhelming x2
Abusive Sergeant x2
Flame Imp x2
Voidwalker x2
Dark Peddler x2
Dire Wolf Alpha x1
Haunted Creeper x2
Ironbeak Owl x1
Knife Juggler x2
Nerubian Egg x2
Imp Gang Boss x2
Imp-losion x2
Dark Iron Dwarf x1
Defender of Argus x2
Doomguard x2
Leeroy Jenkins x1
Loatheb x1
Sea Giant x1



Last night had it run again... the bot went on a 13 game win streak haha

left the bot at rank like 14 i think... woke up this morning to it being on 9...and thats only because i had it stop if it ever reached rank 9 since it never has before, i wanted to play some from there.


EDIT: mid next day... let it run and well the bot is currently on a 7 game lose streak hahaha. Bot is bipolar
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#170 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:41:51 PM(UTC)

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eck22g;34800 wrote:
Last night had it run again... the bot went on a 13 game win streak haha

left the bot at rank like 14 i think... woke up this morning to it being on 9...and thats only because i had it stop if it ever reached rank 9 since it never has before, i wanted to play some from there.


EDIT: mid next day... let it run and well the bot is currently on a 7 game lose streak hahaha. Bot is bipolar

Don't know what region you are but on America server ~2AM-10AM seems to be the sweet spot for me. If I run HR during PM hours then it goes on a massive losing streak deranking 5+ levels.
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#172 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:55:14 PM(UTC)

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sepefeets;34801 wrote:
Don't know what region you are but on America server ~2AM-10AM seems to be the sweet spot for me. If I run HR during PM hours then it goes on a massive losing streak deranking 5+ levels.

Really? I'm doing decent on pm times.... Rank 6 atm
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#180 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:09:13 PM(UTC)

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Dre;34798 wrote:
Yes i even said iam using This on doomguard just a few comments ago i think haha. I have the value for doomguard on 35 atm. But not tested allot yet

Out of curiosity do you think writing a coin combo for dark peddler would be worth it so it doesn't t1 knife juggler..?
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#173 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:23:57 PM(UTC)
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iNiles;34804 wrote:
Really? I'm doing decent on pm times.... Rank 6 atm

Hmm - which deck are you running in the PM?
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#174 Posted : Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:29:47 PM(UTC)

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chriszhu;34808 wrote:
Hmm - which deck are you running in the PM?

dre's zoo, but it does have a harder time in the pm definitely early mornings it does better.
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#175 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 1:45:42 AM(UTC)

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iNiles;34809 wrote:
dre's zoo, but it does have a harder time in the pm definitely early mornings it does better.

So in other words, you could push higher in the AM like I do and then if you were to go back to PM you'd fall down some like I do. :p
omgfrost
#182 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 7:51:27 AM(UTC)
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Can someone help me with that to improve this thread since it's missing the warrior class? I think this might work with HR: http://www.hearthranger....ing-opponent-minion.aspx
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#184 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:09:02 AM(UTC)

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omgfrost;34822 wrote:
Can someone help me with that to improve this thread since it's missing the warrior class? I think this might work with HR: http://www.hearthranger....ing-opponent-minion.aspx


Back in project legend i tested CW quite allot, having around 55% winrate around rank 8-7. Has to be tested again, the files are allready in blackOaks data. but has to be changed to new cards like the 3 mana 3/4 taunt (fierce monkey?)

reason why i didnt do it yet is because i dont think it can get to rank 5 or lower.
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#185 Posted : Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:26:15 AM(UTC)
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Dre;34825 wrote:
Back in project legend i tested CW quite allot, having around 55% winrate around rank 8-7. Has to be tested again, the files are allready in blackOaks data. but has to be changed to new cards like the 3 mana 3/4 taunt (fierce monkey?)

reason why i didnt do it yet is because i dont think it can get to rank 5 or lower.

Yes but this is not CW it's dragon warrior since is way cheaper and we might have a chance to test it and put it in this thread. In the same time i'm updating the HR bugs\missplays (most of them generic and not just deck-based ones, such as cruel taskmaster buffing enemy minions and death's bite hitting loot hoarder instead of face with deathrattle effect all of this BEFORE playing dr boom!) in the other thread (the link above). All i need is just someone who can help me posting some good deck related combo and mulligan since i'm trying to do that but i'm failing with the syntax, it seems....
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