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Dre
#146 Posted : Saturday, January 9, 2016 6:38:31 PM(UTC)

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iNiles;34612 wrote:
@Dre I'm considering writing combos and mullgians for this deck. It's hybrid druid. https://i.imgur.com/LTv4yn9.png Would a nudge for innervate be enough to keep the bot from wasting it. Ex. in midrange druid i've seen the bot coin innervate keeper of the grove as a 2/4 and deal 2 dmg to the enemy face an obvious misplay.


In the deck you need to cut atleast sir finley, also, yes this is hybrid but it still depends heavily on the combo, in my experience you can't expect great results for it. But copy atleast the combo from blackOak for the force + sav.

For the innervate...no basilcy, every combo you write for it will mess up something else. Best is to report such missplay combined with a log to the silverfish tread.

My midrange druid got me to rank 7 once, never lower. and hovers mostly around rank 10... I expect not much more from this deck accualy.
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#147 Posted : Sunday, January 10, 2016 1:12:59 AM(UTC)

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Dre;34616 wrote:
In the deck you need to cut atleast sir finley, also, yes this is hybrid but it still depends heavily on the combo, in my experience you can't expect great results for it. But copy atleast the combo from blackOak for the force + sav.

For the innervate...no basilcy, every combo you write for it will mess up something else. Best is to report such missplay combined with a log to the silverfish tread.

My midrange druid got me to rank 7 once, never lower. and hovers mostly around rank 10... I expect not much more from this deck accualy.

Alright i'm sticking to DreLock then, haven't got lower than 11. At 13 atm not sure why i think N/A is harder than eu atm. Do you think botting over night would be yeild better results?
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#126 Posted : Sunday, January 10, 2016 1:53:29 AM(UTC)

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Can we put in a combo for knife /w Implosion? I can't count the # of times I watched it throw out a implosion and then throw down the juggler after? I think no combo is a mistake for some things like that.

Edit: I am testing /w this added. I am not good /w the combo strings, but think this adds a bonus for using juggler first before implosion.

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Combo's do not affect the order of cards played on the same turn, silverfish decides for itself which order is best. Earlier this week before my internet went out for a while I discovered that useSecretsPlayArround = true was causing it to play muster for battle before knife juggler when an enemy secret was on board. I see that Dre's zoo settings have it enabled and if you have a log to check then you'll probably find it affecting implosion+juggler the same way.

If you have a log then just find the turn where it misplayed, copy the text for that turn into a file called test.txt in your silverfish folder, and then run silverfish and the bottom of the output will show what it thinks the best board is with those settings. Then you can edit the settings at the top of the test.txt file to say "nosecret" instead of "secret" and run it again to see what it thinks is the best board without playing around secrets.

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Playing around secrets seems to be pretty bad at guessing which secret it is or testing for them so you probably want to just disable it anyways unless Dre has some evidence that it helps the deck? One of the most common decks to face on ladder is secret pallies and even with playing around secrets enabled I almost always see it try to attack with a big minion first and running it into the noble sacrifice when it has plenty of small guys or even a weapon that it could have used to test the secrets with...
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#148 Posted : Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:18:29 AM(UTC)
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@Valorion Here i left the bot to do facehunter for around 7 hours (there about)



Settings.txt was generated by silverfish settings.exe @MaxWide=6500

Can someone post a statistics for Valorion's facehunter with MaxWide = 7700? My computer cannot handle 7700.
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#127 Posted : Sunday, January 10, 2016 4:35:47 AM(UTC)

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sepefeets;34626 wrote:
Combo's do not affect the order of cards played on the same turn, silverfish decides for itself which order is best. Earlier this week before my internet went out for a while I discovered that useSecretsPlayArround = true was causing it to play muster for battle before knife juggler when an enemy secret was on board. I see that Dre's zoo settings have it enabled and if you have a log to check then you'll probably find it affecting implosion+juggler the same way.

If you have a log then just find the turn where it misplayed, copy the text for that turn into a file called test.txt in your silverfish folder, and then run silverfish and the bottom of the output will show what it thinks the best board is with those settings. Then you can edit the settings at the top of the test.txt file to say "nosecret" instead of "secret" and run it again to see what it thinks is the best board without playing around secrets.

test.txt examples:





Playing around secrets seems to be pretty bad at guessing which secret it is or testing for them so you probably want to just disable it anyways unless Dre has some evidence that it helps the deck? One of the most common decks to face on ladder is secret pallies and even with playing around secrets enabled I almost always see it try to attack with a big minion first and running it into the noble sacrifice when it has plenty of small guys or even a weapon that it could have used to test the secrets with...


This is a valid point, months and months ago I made a comment somewhere were I got better winrates when turning it off. Because it was just playing a high value card pure for the sake of checking counterspell end up wasting the spell etc. But BlackOak later enabled it in all his settings. I can't remember if Oak and I even talked about if after. But we ranked to 4 and higher pretty soon after. In fact last months there been no months that i didn't hit rank 4. So I guess I never doubted it anymore. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't. Iam gonna do a few tests turning it off. However I do remember to see it attacking a hunter first checking for explosive trap before playing more minions...so idk..tests will found out.

I also want to ask everyone who can: Please do a test day with playaroundsecrets on false. And compare results with your runs where having it on.
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#149 Posted : Sunday, January 10, 2016 8:12:29 AM(UTC)
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darren1998s;34628 wrote:
@Valorion Here i left the bot to do facehunter for around 7 hours (there about)



Settings.txt was generated by silverfish settings.exe @MaxWide=6500

Can someone post a statistics for Valorion's facehunter with MaxWide = 7700? My computer cannot handle 7700.


Thanks for the statistic. The lower winrate is probably because of the wrong silence or deciding to trade instead of facing and vice versa. I guess this bot isn´t that good for the bot but it kinda works.

Can you tell me which Rank you played at?


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#151 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 6:27:56 AM(UTC)
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My Secredin Deck:

5 is the best rank for me so far:

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added DR. 7 got me from rank 10 to stable 7. one time 5

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#150 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 6:53:22 AM(UTC)
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Valorion;34634 wrote:
Thanks for the statistic. The lower winrate is probably because of the wrong silence or deciding to trade instead of facing and vice versa. I guess this bot isn´t that good for the bot but it kinda works.

Can you tell me which Rank you played at?


Greetings,

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I played from Rank 18 all the way to Rank 14. It then jumped back to Rank 16 :)

But it does consistently hit Rank 14 before it loses alot. (it also grinds 100 gold in like 5 hours)/
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#162 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 1:43:08 PM(UTC)

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So Dre, your zoo deck is stuck @ rank 7 losing only really to druid the deck it's suppose to counter.. any ideas why? 3-7 against druid btw.
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#163 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 2:14:47 PM(UTC)

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iNiles;34702 wrote:
So Dre, your zoo deck is stuck @ rank 7 losing only really to druid the deck it's suppose to counter.. any ideas why? 3-7 against druid btw.


Rank 7 is still not bad at this time of the season but yeah probably due missplays iam afraid. Iam trying changes now like getting rid of Nerubian egg entirely because i just see to many missplays with it. If you losing much against druid (iam not so dunno why) but then u can try to swap some stuff out to counter it more. Or edit the druid mulligan. But as i said i wasnt losing against druids. Iam also increasing cardvalues of doomguard and leeroy. Will test and when i have succes again post all my information.

Also @everyone, new meta snapshot is there: https://tempostorm.com/h...napshot-43-welcome-back

Zoolock went to Tier 1 even, bad news is that most other tier 1 and 2 decks are not played well by the bot...
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#164 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 2:27:06 PM(UTC)

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Dre;34705 wrote:
Rank 7 is still not bad at this time of the season but yeah probably due missplays iam afraid. Iam trying changes now like getting rid of Nerubian egg entirely because i just see to many missplays with it. If you losing much against druid (iam not so dunno why) but then u can try to swap some stuff out to counter it more. Or edit the druid mulligan. But as i said i wasnt losing against druids. Iam also increasing cardvalues of doomguard and leeroy. Will test and when i have succes again post all my information.

Also @everyone, new meta snapshot is there: https://tempostorm.com/h...napshot-43-welcome-back

Zoolock went to Tier 1 even, bad news is that most other tier 1 and 2 decks are not played well by the bot...


I also added Dr.Boom to the deck and see how it plays. Almost all matchups i vs at this rank are non-aggro so i think it will help in the control matchups. Also if you have any changes you want me to test I will. Currently 52% winrate at 7.
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#152 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 2:43:42 PM(UTC)
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Somerandombot007;34682 wrote:
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added DR. 7 got me from rank 10 to stable 7. one time 5

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Hey everyone, is this actually a viable secret paladin deck? Was wondering because it seems on the cheaper side. No Tirion etc. He is pretty much a must have isn't he?

I'm about to spend my dust and get the last few cards I need for this and try it out. Not botting, to start out at least.
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#153 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 2:49:22 PM(UTC)
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heretician;34710 wrote:
Hey everyone, is this actually a viable secret paladin deck? Was wondering because it seems on the cheaper side. No Tirion etc. He is pretty much a must have isn't he?

I'm about to spend my dust and get the last few cards I need for this and try it out. Not botting, to start out at least.

Yep its basically a Secret Aggro paladin with a DR. Boom
But if you want to put tirion in it i think you should shift the whole deck to control and add Shredders and Belchers or so

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#161 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 6:01:32 PM(UTC)
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Somerandombot007;34711 wrote:
Yep its basically a Secret Aggro paladin with a DR. Boom
But if you want to put tirion in it i think you should shift the whole deck to control and add Shredders and Belchers or so

Cheers


I will add your Deck Tomorrow. Thx for your contribution. Keep up your work.

Can´t add the Deck atm because i´m too busy. Tomorrow I will add the Deck at 5pm (17:00 UTC +1)


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#165 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 6:33:55 PM(UTC)
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Hm I used dre zoo lock and watched it play, went face instead of killing doomsayer
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#166 Posted : Monday, January 11, 2016 6:38:45 PM(UTC)

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bigfatfob;34720 wrote:
Hm I used dre zoo lock and watched it play, went face instead of killing doomsayer


Without a log nothing is gonna changed or be looked at sorry
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Valorion
#167 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 12:58:36 PM(UTC)
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Deck added : Secredin by @somerandombot007

Thanks for your contribution and keep up the work.


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#160 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:22:05 PM(UTC)
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Somerandombot007;34711 wrote:
Yep its basically a Secret Aggro paladin with a DR. Boom
But if you want to put tirion in it i think you should shift the whole deck to control and add Shredders and Belchers or so

Cheers


About to play it now a few times myself then I'm going to turn it on HR for awhile and see how it goes. I will report back with screenshots of stats from the bot!

Thank you Somerandombot007
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#154 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:25:35 PM(UTC)
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Somerandombot007;34711 wrote:
Yep its basically a Secret Aggro paladin with a DR. Boom
But if you want to put tirion in it i think you should shift the whole deck to control and add Shredders and Belchers or so

Cheers



The mulligan you posted does not fit the deck. That mulligan text file is meant for a deck with Tirion/Consec/Shredders -- there are a lot of mulligans for cards not in the deck and there are a lot of muligans missing for a lot of the cards in the deck you posted.

I am editing the deck a little along with making this mulligan file work for the edited deck myself but maybe you posted the wrong mulligan text file for this deck?
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#155 Posted : Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:30:44 PM(UTC)

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heretician;34764 wrote:
The mulligan you posted does not fit the deck. That mulligan text file is meant for a deck with Tirion/Consec/Shredders -- there are a lot of mulligans for cards not in the deck and there are a lot of muligans missing for a lot of the cards in the deck you posted.

I am editing the deck a little along with making this mulligan file work for the edited deck myself but maybe you posted the wrong mulligan text file for this deck?


tbf it doesnt matter if there some cards in the mulligan that arnt used in this particulair deck, i often have a mulligan that works for 4-5 decks with like only 2-3 cards difference. The mulligan just holds the cards it gets. So if there is no cons in the deck it wont hurt to have a hold cons in it. It will just not hold it (duh) but if one time you think u want to swap out like a kings for a cons u dont have to adapt your mulligan all the time just for one card. What is strange about the mulligan are the discard rules tho. because the mulligan will discard anything anyway if there is no HOLD for it written. So its unnessesairy.
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