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BlackOak
#314 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:50:42 AM(UTC)
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weauat;31373 wrote:
hey blackoak noticed you dont have the secretdin me and alot of the guys are using to hit rank 5 or 4 might wanna add it to ur list
avenge x2
competitive spirit x1
noble sacrifice x2
redemption x1
repentance x1
secretkeeper x2
equality x1
haunted creeper x1
ironbeak owl x1
knife juggler x2
shielded minibot x2
coghammer x1
divine favor x1
muster for battle x2
truesilver champion x1
blessing of kings x1
consecration x1
piloted shredder x2
loatheb x1
mysterious challenger x2
dr. boom x1
tirion fordring x1
Who do I credit for this variation?

Dre;31366 wrote:
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EDIT: that reminds me of something, the current secretpaladin (#2 tier 1 in current meta) has a very different deck then the one used in S18 (which is the one you listed)

maybe you can try that new S19 metadeck out? here u have it: https://tempostorm.com/h...egend-na-secret-paladin

it has 2 zombie, 2 aldor peacekeeper and is allot more aggro orientated in general. I didnt try it so far.
Good deck suffers against hunter (mainly face) stomps other pally decks, druid & shaman & warlock. Although I've never been much of a fan of zombie chow, I prefer not to undo 5 damage :P
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its strifecros streaming deck though i do think i was the first to post about using it lol

BlackOak;31396 wrote:
Who do I credit for this variation?

Good deck suffers against hunter (mainly face) stomps other pally decks, druid & shaman & warlock. Although I've never been much of a fan of zombie chow, I prefer not to undo 5 damage :P

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ran a 41.4% win rate at legend in 29 games really not to bad lol

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Hi guys..

I have been playing with the SecretPally decks. And this is the best for me so far.

Hovering between 3-5. Best 3+2 stars.

---Decklist---
Avenge
Noble Sacrifice
Redemption
Repentence
2 x Argent Squire
2 x Gadgetzan Jouster
2 x Knife Juggler
2 x Shielded Minibot
2 x Coghammer
2 x Muster for battle
2 x Aldor Peacekeeper
2 x Blessing of kings
Consecration
2 x Piloted Shredder
Loatheb
Quartermaster
Sludge Belcher
2 x Mysterius Challenger
Dr Boom
Tirion Fordring


Same combo.txt as in Data.
Same settings.txt as in Data.

* Mulligan - Pretty much the same, have ajusted the mulligan for "Gadgetzan Jouster"
Uses him instead of Zombie, with sometimes get buffed by secrets and kings to mid/late game. And heals enemy hero for 5.

--- Mulligan ---
// This File: _mulligan.txt
// Author: Blackoak
// Credits: emilcoff, Dre
// Version: 0.26 (16-Oct-15)
// History: Many Fixes
// Deck Name: SecretPaladin
// Hero: Paladin
// Deck Type: Mid-Range (Control)

// [1] Avenge (FP1_020)
// [1] Competitive Spirit (AT_073)
// [1] Noble Sacrifice (EX1_130)
// [1] Redemption (EX1_136)
// [1] Repentance (EX1_379)
// [1] Secretkeeper (EX1_080)
// [2] Haunted Creeper (FP1_002)
// [2] Ironbeak Owl (CS2_203)
// [2] Knife Juggler (NEW1_019)
// [2] Shielded Minibot (GVG_058)
// [3] Coghammer (GVG_059)
// [3] Divine Favor (EX1_349)
// [3] Muster for Battle (GVG_061)
// [4] Blessing of Kings (CS2_092)
// [4] Consecration (CS2_093)
// [4] Piloted Shredder (GVG_096)
// [4] Truesilver Champion (CS2_097)
// [5] Loatheb (FP1_030)
// [6] Mysterious Challenger (AT_079)
// [7] Dr. Boom (GVG_110)
// [8] Ragnaros the Firelord (EX1_298)
// [8] Tirion Fordring (EX1_383)
// ----------------------------------------------
// [2] Argent Protector (EX1_362)
// [2] Equality (EX1_619)
// [3] Aldor Peacekeeper (EX1_382)
// [3] Warhorse Trainer (GVG_059)
// [4] Chillwind Yeti (CS2_182)


// - A L L --------------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Argent Squire
hold;pala;all;EX1_008:1
// 2 x Argent Squire
hold;pala;all;EX1_008:2;coin

// 1 x Gadgetzan Jouster
hold;pala;all;AT_133:1
// 2 x Gadgetzan Jouster
hold;pala;all;AT_133:2;coin

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
hold;pala;all;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
hold;pala;all;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Haunted Creeper
hold;pala;all;FP1_002:1
// 1 x Haunted Creeper
hold;pala;all;FP1_002:2;coin
// 1 x Haunted Creeper + Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;all;FP1_002:1:NEW1_019/GVG_058;coin
// hold;pala;all;FP1_002:1:EX1_008/EX1_080
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
hold;pala;all;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
hold;pala;all;GVG_058:2;coin

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Coghammer + 1-Drop
hold;pala;all;GVG_059:1:EX1_008/EX1_080
// 1 x Coghammer + 2-Drop + Coin
hold;pala;all;GVG_059:1:NEW1_019/FP1_002/GVG_058/CS2_203
// 1 x Muster for Battle
// hold;pala;all;GVG_061:1:EX1_008/EX1_080/NEW1_019
// 1 x Muster for Battle + Coin
// hold;pala;all;GVG_061:1;coin
// 1 x Muster for Battle + Coin
hold;pala;all;GVG_061:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Blessing of Kings + Argent Squire + Shielded Minibot
hold;pala;all;CS2_092:1:EX1_008+GVG_058;coin
// 1 x Truesilver Champion + Coin
hold;pala;all;CS2_097:1:EX1_008/EX1_080/NEW1_019/GVG_058;coin
// 1 x Truesilver Champion if dont have 1 x Coghammer
// hold;pala;all;CS2_097:1:-GVG_059

// 6-DROP ---------------------------------------
// 1 x Mysterious Challenger + Secretkeeper + Coin
hold;pala;all;AT_079:1:EX1_080;coin

// IDEAL HAND -----------------------------------
// [1] Competitive Spirit + [3] Muster for Battle + Coin
hold;pala;all;AT_073:1:GVG_061;coin

// - D R U I D ----------------------------------
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;druid;GVG_096:1

// 6-DROP
// 1 x Mysterious Challenger + Secretkeeper + Coin
//hold;pala;druid;AT_079:1:EX1_080;coin

// - H U N T E R --------------------------------
// 2-DROP
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
hold;pala;hunter;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Coghammer + Coin
hold;pala;hunter;GVG_059:1;coin

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Consecration
hold;pala;hunter;CS2_093:1


// - P A L A D I N ------------------------------
// 3-DROP
// 1 x Coghammer + Coin
hold;pala;pala;GVG_059:1;coin

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Consecration
hold;pala;pala;CS2_093:1

// - P R I E S T --------------------------------
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder + Coin
hold;pala;priest;GVG_096:1;coin
// 1 x Chillwind Yeti + Coin
hold;pala;priest;CS2_182:1;coin

// - R O G U E ----------------------------------
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;thief;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Chillwind Yeti
hold;pala;thief;CS2_182:1
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;thief;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Chillwind Yeti
hold;pala;thief;CS2_182:1

// 5-DROP
// 1 x Harrison Jones
hold;pala;thief;EX1_558

// - W A R L O C K ------------------------------
// 2-DROP
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
hold;pala;warlock;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Coghammer + Coin
hold;pala;warlock;GVG_059:1;coin

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Consecration + Coin
hold;pala;warlock;CS2_093:1;coin

// - W A R R I O R ------------------------------
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;warrior;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Chillwind Yeti
hold;pala;warrior;CS2_182:1

// 5-DROP
// 1 x Harrison Jones (EX1_558)
hold;pala;warrior;EX1_558


// LEFTOVERS ------------------------------------
// 1 x Truesilver Champion [Druid, Preist, Rogue, Shaman, Warrior]
// hold;pala;druid;CS2_097:1
// hold;pala;priest;CS2_097:1
// hold;pala;thief;CS2_097:1
// hold;pala;shaman;CS2_097:1
// hold;pala;warrior;CS2_097:1
// Aldor Peacekeeper [Druid, Shaman]
// hold;pala;druid;EX1_382:1
// hold;pala;shaman;EX1_382:1
// 1 x Argent Protector
// hold;pala;all;EX1_362:1
// 1 x Consecration [Mage, Hunter, Paladin, Shaman, Warlock]
// hold;pala;mage;CS2_093:1
// hold;pala;hunter;CS2_093:1
// hold;pala;pala;CS2_093:1
// hold;pala;shaman;CS2_093:1
// hold;pala;warlock;CS2_093:1
// 1 x Equality [Druid, Priest, Warrior]
// hold;pala;druid;EX1_619:1
// hold;pala;priest;EX1_619:1
// hold;pala;warrior;EX1_619:1
// 1 x Garrison Commander
// hold;pala;all;AT_080:1
// Silver Hand Regent
// hold;pala;all;AT_100
// Warhorse Trainer
// hold;pala;all;GVG_059
----------------------------------

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#317 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:56:17 AM(UTC)

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Per4mer;31383 wrote:
Hi guys..

I have been playing with the SecretPally decks. And this is the best for me so far.

Hovering between 3-5. Best 3+2 stars.




That's among the best results we've got so far, we need more guys like this!

BlackOak
#321 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:48:51 AM(UTC)
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Removed hero power based combos, my bad sorry guys this would have impacted your games massively.
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#322 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:56:48 AM(UTC)
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I will try the secret pally deck posted by weauat. I'll give feedback asap.
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#323 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 8:14:37 AM(UTC)

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And i started project Rogue :) will do testing till the end of the season writing own mulligans etc. will post results when i found something doing above 50%
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#324 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:16:50 AM(UTC)
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Dre;31427 wrote:
And i started project Rogue :) will do testing till the end of the season writing own mulligans etc. will post results when i found something doing above 50%
I would be interested in your results I am yet to find a really reliable rogue build :/

EDIT: do you guys and gals think this thread warrants a sticky?
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#327 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:30:42 AM(UTC)
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Using the Midrange-Control secret Paladin. Is there anyway to change it so it plays Shielded minibot over Knife juggler turn 1/2? It's not worth playing Knife jungler and hoping it doesn't get removed before Muster for Battle.
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#328 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:47:01 AM(UTC)
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iJuno;31433 wrote:
Using the Midrange-Control secret Paladin. Is there anyway to change it so it plays Shielded minibot over Knife juggler turn 1/2? It's not worth playing Knife jungler and hoping it doesn't get removed before Muster for Battle.
As an opener with coin you mean? if so yeah I'll look at that :)

@everyone Uploaded a new Control Hunter deck and updated mulligan for control hunter also added a few standard combos also. Testers are required!!!!
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BlackOak;31434 wrote:
As an opener with coin you mean? if so yeah I'll look at that :)

@everyone Uploaded a new Control Hunter deck and updated mulligan for control hunter also added a few standard combos also. Testers are required!!!!


Yeh I believe with turn 1, coin, knife juggler and shielded minibot in hand it should play.

Turn 1: Coin Shielded minibot
Turn 2: Knife juggler.

https://www.reddit.com/r...gainst_the_most/cw6v9kj

Edit: http://puu.sh/kSeD4.jpg
Played Coin + Knife juggler into Zombie Chow.

Also not sure if this should be posted here or on Silverfish. Finding things hard to wrap my head around as a new user atm.
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#326 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:17:27 AM(UTC)
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BlackOak;31430 wrote:


EDIT: do you guys and gals think this thread warrants a sticky?



This.
Vick Nan
#333 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:33:53 AM(UTC)

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I think silverfish and project legend belongs. Not using the combos and mulligans given here would be silly, atleast afaik.

Absolutely a sticky
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#330 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 10:51:28 AM(UTC)

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for the purpose of the bot its actually better for turn 1/2 knife juggler first as the bot wont save for turn 4/5 combo with muster and just play turn 2/3 juggler and the odds of it getting removed are slightly higher the later it goes on. if you set it up for starting hand to save juggler with muster that would work but without muster a turn 1/2 juggler is actually fine. you would need a starting had with muster,juggler and minibot for it to be better to save em

iJuno;31435 wrote:
Yeh I believe with turn 1, coin, knife juggler and shielded minibot in hand it should play.

Turn 1: Coin Shielded minibot
Turn 2: Knife juggler.

https://www.reddit.com/r...gainst_the_most/cw6v9kj

Edit: http://puu.sh/kSeD4.jpg
Played Coin + Knife juggler into Zombie Chow.

Also not sure if this should be posted here or on Silverfish. Finding things hard to wrap my head around as a new user atm.

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#331 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:08:21 AM(UTC)
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weauat;31442 wrote:
for the purpose of the bot its actually better for turn 1/2 knife juggler first as the bot wont save for turn 4/5 combo with muster and just play turn 2/3 juggler and the odds of it getting removed are slightly higher the later it goes on. if you set it up for starting hand to save juggler with muster that would work but without muster a turn 1/2 juggler is actually fine. you would need a starting had with muster,juggler and minibot for it to be better to save em


Okay I have increased the penalty for using knife without muster by 20 hopefully this should fix the first turn issue. Obviously if you have no other playable minion then knife will be played by the bot.

I have also tidied up aggro druid seeing it's tier 1 now.
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Okay I have increased the penalty for using knife without muster by 20 hopefully this should fix the first turn issue. Obviously if you have no other playable minion then knife will be played by the bot.

I have also tidied up aggro druid seeing it's tier 1 now.


Okay, thank you for the fast response and help! I'll try it out now.
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Hi All
i'm sorry for my english ^^ ok ok :p

i try to understand everything but i block on 2 think

1) When u say Silverfish: Control mode

i can change silverfish Mode ? i shearch on DeckRulefile but no control mode :/ Help? Thx xD

And

2)

Wtf is this ?



//////////////////////////// MID - RANGE SECREDIN

//vs lock consecration, secretkeeper, minibot, muster for battle
hold;pala;warlock;CS2_093:1,EX1_080,GVG_058,GVG_061:1

//vs hunter consecration, secretkeeper, minibot, muster for battle
hold;pala;hunter;CS2_093:1,EX1_080,GVG_058,GVG_061:1

//vs pala consecration, secretkeeper, minibot, muster for battle
hold;pala;pala;CS2_093:1,EX1_080,GVG_058,GVG_061:1

//vs warrior secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;warrior;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs mage secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;mage;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs druid secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;druid;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs thief secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;thief;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs priest secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler muster for battle
hold;pala;priest;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs shaman secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;shaman;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1
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Wanchester;31453 wrote:
Hi All
i'm sorry for my english ^^ ok ok :p

i try to understand everything but i block on 2 think

1) When u say Silverfish: Control mode

i can change silverfish Mode ? i shearch on DeckRulefile but no control mode :/ Help? Thx xD

And

2)

Wtf is this ?



//////////////////////////// MID - RANGE SECREDIN

//vs lock consecration, secretkeeper, minibot, muster for battle
hold;pala;warlock;CS2_093:1,EX1_080,GVG_058,GVG_061:1

//vs hunter consecration, secretkeeper, minibot, muster for battle
hold;pala;hunter;CS2_093:1,EX1_080,GVG_058,GVG_061:1

//vs pala consecration, secretkeeper, minibot, muster for battle
hold;pala;pala;CS2_093:1,EX1_080,GVG_058,GVG_061:1

//vs warrior secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;warrior;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs mage secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;mage;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs druid secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;druid;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs thief secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;thief;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs priest secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler muster for battle
hold;pala;priest;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1

//vs shaman secretkeeper, minibot, knifejuggler, muster for battle
hold;pala;shaman;EX1_080,GVG_058,NEW1_019:1,GVG_061:1


1) you go to yourhearthrangermap/extarnalbot/silverfish
there is a file called settings it should look like this:

enfacehp = 20;
maxwide = 5000;
twotsamount = 50;
simEnemySecondTurn = true;
playarround = true;
playaroundprob = 55;
playaroundprob2 = 85;
enemyTurnMaxWideSecondTime = 400;
enemyTurnMaxWide = 20;
enemySecondTurnMaxWide = 20;
nextTurnDeep = 6;
nextTurnMaxWide = 20;
nextTurnTotalBoards = 400;
useSecretsPlayArround = true;
alpha = 50;
simulatePlacement = false;
useExternalProcess = true;
passiveWaiting = false;
behave = face;<--------------------------------------HERE YOU CAN CHANGE THE PLAYSTYLE (rush face control)
concedeOnBadBoard = true;
speed = true;

2) that is a mulligan its a file where you can tell the bot what he should hold or discard in his starters hand
//edit: if you have more questions or want more explanation PM me.
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#336 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:32:18 PM(UTC)
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Hi all!!
I have a question, how can i do my bot more faster ?. Actually my bot take all time in each turn to do all actions, and play 4-6 games every hour, it true my bot have win ratio 55%-65%, even so, i think is very slow. I am using Botmaker silverfish and Silver.exe (_mulligan, _combo).

Good job BlackOak with this Project, very usefull.

(sorry for my poor english)
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#337 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2015 5:44:29 PM(UTC)
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drakyndex;31459 wrote:
Hi all!!
I have a question, how can i do my bot more faster ?. Actually my bot take all time in each turn to do all actions, and play 4-6 games every hour, it true my bot have win ratio 55%-65%, even so, i think is very slow. I am using Botmaker silverfish and Silver.exe (_mulligan, _combo).

Good job BlackOak with this Project, very usefull.

(sorry for my poor english)
The slow issue is know to both JoyAdmin & Botmaker. 10mins per game is average in my testing.

@everyone Added Goblin Blastmage & Archmage Antonidas combo to both mech mage in upload for testing before putting in the default combo.
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