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stegula
#295 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:36:16 AM(UTC)
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Until two days ago bot was able to maintain ranks 7-4 by itself alone. After i updated silverfish to the newest version. It dropped all the way back to rank 12 and varried between 12 and 11. Any thoughts?
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#296 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 4:05:57 AM(UTC)

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stegula;31335 wrote:
Until two days ago bot was able to maintain ranks 7-4 by itself alone. After i updated silverfish to the newest version. It dropped all the way back to rank 12 and varried between 12 and 11. Any thoughts?


There are several possible reasons - the meta is changing due to upcoming nerf (secretpala becoming top deck and people preparing for that), we're coming into mid-season, you might even try at the wrong time of the day, stuff like that.

Don't quote me on this tho, I haven't played HS long enough to be able to navigate the landscape with total confidence.

But I can assure you, by no means are silverfish, BlackOaks datasets and HR becoming worse :) If that was the case, there would have been a more tangible reaction around here, as compared to a single occurence like yours.

Let us know how you fare.


Best,
Vick Nan
#297 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 4:30:31 AM(UTC)

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I have this nagging feeling we should do something about a considerable coder/contributor like BlackOak missing some cards.

We could set up a paypal acc for him and all chime in with a few euros/us dollars. I know I could give a fiver, from my limited funds.

It is understandable that many here have the f2p approach and thus is botting, for many a fiver can be a lot of money, but that is also why we should invest, even a little bit, into a contributors resources. Give a little to save a lot.

Guys this is not the time to go silent. I'm telling you already, I have seen it happen, the minute people actually are asked to give even a little back, instead of just receiving, no matter how much they have got (like the best HS bot around, for free, which in it's turn have gotten them up to thousands of gold, for free), the crowd goes totally silent. So if I start hearing crickets chirping after this post, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.

If you can't, then say that you support the thought atleast. If you can, let me know and I'll arrange the rest. Next we'll create a separate thread.

Note this is all happening only with BlackOaks approval.

I would say the same thing regarding botmaker but it seems he already has a full collection!

Thanks for reading, sorry for the offtopic, we'll handle this elsewhere next if it takes off - as it should do.
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#298 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 4:56:15 AM(UTC)
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Vick Nan;31342 wrote:
I have this nagging feeling we should do something about a considerable coder/contributor like BlackOak missing some cards.

We could set up a paypal acc for him and all chime in with a few euros/us dollars. I know I could give a fiver, from my limited funds.

It is understandable that many here have the f2p approach and thus is botting, for many a fiver can be a lot of money, but that is also why we should invest, even a little bit, into a contributors resources. Give a little to save a lot.

Guys this is not the time to go silent. I'm telling you already, I have seen it happen, the minute people actually are asked to give even a little back, instead of just receiving, no matter how much they have got (like the best HS bot around, for free, which in it's turn have gotten them up to thousands of gold, for free), the crowd goes totally silent. So if I start hearing crickets chirping after this post, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.

If you can't, then say that you support the thought atleast. If you can, let me know and I'll arrange the rest. Next we'll create a separate thread.

Note this is all happening only with BlackOaks approval.

I would say the same thing regarding botmaker but it seems he already has a full collection!

Thanks for reading, sorry for the offtopic, we'll handle this elsewhere next if it takes off - as it should do.
Thanks Vick, but for me I give my time for free I buy cards all the time to be honest just not been lucky with a few of the epics is all. As for botmaker I will happy to donate to his caffeine fund :)

@everyone Added a TempoTotem (shaman control) deck thanks jdubya29 testing shows a good win rate (over 55% on lower runs on ladder) and is quite quick. I will also be looking at another deck by jdubya29 once I have time to test :)
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#300 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 5:15:30 AM(UTC)
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Hi Guys, could someone help point me to the guide on how to edit _combo.txt. I could not understand the syntax being used like the sequence, bonus, etc.
Thanks for the help.
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#299 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 5:40:56 AM(UTC)

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BlackOak;31344 wrote:
Thanks Vick, but for me I give my time for free I buy cards all the time to be honest just not been lucky with a few of the epics is all. As for botmaker I will happy to donate to his caffeine fund :)

@everyone Added a TempoTotem (shaman control) deck thanks jdubya29 testing shows a good win rate (over 55% on lower runs on ladder) and is quite quick. I will also be looking at another deck by jdubya29 once I have time to test :)


Roger that, great to have it cleared up. I have had a different experience elsewhere and probably concluded based on that.

I think buying botmaker a cup of coffee would be cool, I'll post and ask what he thinks

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iNiles
#301 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:10:58 AM(UTC)

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Hi, I finally got snake trap. One question, is it possible to write combo to use a snake trap after dropping a knife juggler? Like you play the juggler then the trap so if they go to clear it it summons the snakes and procs the juggler?
Also how can i stop the bot from coining out snake trap when i have a mad scientiest in hand? its doing it turn one against any class it seems...
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#304 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:22:18 PM(UTC)
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last night Thx BlackOak :D

Rank 11-8

paladin midrange, BlackOak settings

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#305 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:34:45 PM(UTC)
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OKey guys, i was trying several decks at rank 11-6.
Mech mage: got from 6 to 11
Aggro druid (with 2 fel reavers) 75% casual, 25-30%w/r at rank 8
Control secredin (only 2x avenge + 2x noble sacrifice) 47-50% at rank 8
Beast Hunter trashy as f*ck, without combo rules dont even try it

Show me a deck that you think it is gonna have a good w/r and i will try it.

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#302 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:47:06 PM(UTC)

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iNiles;31357 wrote:
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Hi, I finally got snake trap. One question, is it possible to write combo to use a snake trap after dropping a knife juggler? Like you play the juggler then the trap so if they go to clear it it summons the snakes and procs the juggler?
Also how can i stop the bot from coining out snake trap when i have a mad scientiest in hand? its doing it turn one against any class it seems...


All I know is that should be both doable and easy if knowing how. Maybe look into the small guide in first post? Or was the guide in the separate post with the general settings datasets.

Let us know how it goes!
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#306 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:50:05 PM(UTC)

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emilcoff;31363 wrote:
OKey guys, i was trying several decks at rank 11-6.
Mech mage: got from 6 to 11
Aggro druid (with 2 fel reavers) 75% casual, 25-30%w/r at rank 8
Control secredin (only 2x avenge + 2x noble sacrifice) 47-50% at rank 8
Beast Hunter trashy as f*ck, without combo rules dont even try it

Show me a deck that you think it is gonna have a good w/r and i will try it.



I talked to different testers and observe the forum all of us have a difficulity to get past rank 8 atm.

atm iam testing strifeCro's warrior deck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-mqWfbRiLk latest controllwarrior mulligan and combo is right for this allready.

got me to rank 9 today, gonna test it tonight again - but iam affraid i cant give you a deck which goes to 5 right now. So far your paladin-deck got us the highest rank tbf :D

EDIT: that reminds me of something, the current secretpaladin (#2 tier 1 in current meta) has a very different deck then the one used in S18 (which is the one you listed)

maybe you can try that new S19 metadeck out? here u have it: https://tempostorm.com/h...egend-na-secret-paladin

it has 2 zombie, 2 aldor peacekeeper and is allot more aggro orientated in general. I didnt try it so far.
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#303 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 1:00:26 PM(UTC)
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iNiles;31357 wrote:
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Hi, I finally got snake trap. One question, is it possible to write combo to use a snake trap after dropping a knife juggler? Like you play the juggler then the trap so if they go to clear it it summons the snakes and procs the juggler?
Also how can i stop the bot from coining out snake trap when i have a mad scientiest in hand? its doing it turn one against any class it seems...
Yeah sure it's on my to do list, I can add a nudge to force out mad scientist on coin but more than that combo doesn't allow for it.

EDIT: Unless I put a penalty on playing without mac-the-knife :) okay added to default combo and facehuter
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#307 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:28:40 PM(UTC)
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Dre;31366 wrote:
I talked to different testers and observe the forum all of us have a difficulity to get past rank 8 atm.

atm iam testing strifeCro's warrior deck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-mqWfbRiLk latest controllwarrior mulligan and combo is right for this allready.

got me to rank 9 today, gonna test it tonight again - but iam affraid i cant give you a deck which goes to 5 right now. So far your paladin-deck got us the highest rank tbf :D

EDIT: that reminds me of something, the current secretpaladin (#2 tier 1 in current meta) has a very different deck then the one used in S18 (which is the one you listed)

maybe you can try that new S19 metadeck out? here u have it: https://tempostorm.com/h...egend-na-secret-paladin

it has 2 zombie, 2 aldor peacekeeper and is allot more aggro orientated in general. I didnt try it so far.



WHen i said control secredin i was talking about this deck: http://www.hearthpwn.com...ecrets-benfa-with-guide
I think if you are going to use secrets you´ll need 2 avenges and 2 nobles. Forget about using quartermaster with bot coz 0 value.

I like the zombie chowx2 for keeping the board control till you play mys challenger, but i dont like having 1 avenge and 1 noble sacrifice.
Ill try that deck with: -1 mys challenger -1 quartermaster +1 noble sacrifice +1 avenge.
Im thinking about -1 haunted +1 equality.
What you think ? Remember how cards are played, It has to be simple and effective.
Dre
#308 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:34:34 PM(UTC)

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emilcoff;31370 wrote:
WHen i said control secredin i was talking about this deck: http://www.hearthpwn.com...ecrets-benfa-with-guide
I think if you are going to use secrets you´ll need 2 avenges and 2 nobles. Forget about using quartermaster with bot coz 0 value.

I like the zombie chowx2 for keeping the board control till you play mys challenger, but i dont like having 1 avenge and 1 noble sacrifice.
Ill try that deck with: -1 mys challenger -1 quartermaster +1 noble sacrifice +1 avenge.
Im thinking about -1 haunted +1 equality.
What you think ? Remember how cards are played, It has to be simple and effective.


I have to do testing to check why the S18 version we used is failing atm, becaue that thing was pretty solid in S18.

I was merly saying i saw the Meta snapshot posting this very different deck and was pointing that out. it seemed weaker to me right away and you make good points.
Allot will change after today though, with patron gone in a few hours it will flipflop the whole meta.

Atm iam still testing the warrior, probably the last week of the season i will go back to paladin or druid since i think it has the most potential to get rank 5 (the chest i want) unless warrior will get there.
I had best results so far in S19 with Mid-range Druid but i stopped testing with it after it got 500 wins (golden) around 55% on rank 7 but i didnt post it because i didnt have good data on it

the deck i used for my druid was is:



EDIT: it just happened my HS is updated and warsong commander is now nerfed.
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#309 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2015 3:47:07 PM(UTC)

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hey blackoak noticed you dont have the secretdin me and alot of the guys are using to hit rank 5 or 4 might wanna add it to ur list
avenge x2
competitive spirit x1
noble sacrifice x2
redemption x1
repentance x1
secretkeeper x2
equality x1
haunted creeper x1
ironbeak owl x1
knife juggler x2
shielded minibot x2
coghammer x1
divine favor x1
muster for battle x2
truesilver champion x1
blessing of kings x1
consecration x1
piloted shredder x2
loatheb x1
mysterious challenger x2
dr. boom x1
tirion fordring x1
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weauat;31373 wrote:
hey blackoak noticed you dont have the secretdin me and alot of the guys are using to hit rank 5 or 4 might wanna add it to ur list
avenge x2
competitive spirit x1
noble sacrifice x2
redemption x1
repentance x1
secretkeeper x2
equality x1
haunted creeper x1
ironbeak owl x1
knife juggler x2
shielded minibot x2
coghammer x1
divine favor x1
muster for battle x2
truesilver champion x1
blessing of kings x1
consecration x1
piloted shredder x2
loatheb x1
mysterious challenger x2
dr. boom x1
tirion fordring x1


Tbf the only difference between this and emi's deck is -1x haunted creeper +1x equality.
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single card big change though lol, i have another secretdin list that should be a bit stronger with so many aggro druids but i cant test on ranked til next month so i cant back that list and the lists that blackoak has up are kinda outdated...well for hearthstone standards lol
Dre;31376 wrote:
Tbf the only difference between this and emi's deck is -1x haunted creeper +1x equality.

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weauat;31379 wrote:
single card big change though lol, i have another secretdin list that should be a bit stronger with so many aggro druids but i cant test on ranked til next month so i cant back that list and the lists that blackoak has up are kinda outdated...well for hearthstone standards lol



Iam aware of that ofc :) but i ment u could also said swap out a creeper for a equality instead of posting a whole deck, it's more confusing :) but thats imho, didnt ment it negative - all contribution to getting a higher rank is much apreciated!
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I completely forgot that it was that simple of a change lol

Dre;31381 wrote:
Iam aware of that ofc :) but i ment u could also said swap out a creeper for a equality instead of posting a whole deck, it's more confusing :) but thats imho, didnt ment it negative - all contribution to getting a higher rank is much apreciated!

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Hi guys..

I have been playing with the SecretPally decks. And this is the best for me so far.

Hovering between 3-5. Best 3+2 stars.

---Decklist---
Avenge
Noble Sacrifice
Redemption
Repentence
2 x Argent Squire
2 x Gadgetzan Jouster
2 x Knife Juggler
2 x Shielded Minibot
2 x Coghammer
2 x Muster for battle
2 x Aldor Peacekeeper
2 x Blessing of kings
Consecration
2 x Piloted Shredder
Loatheb
Quartermaster
Sludge Belcher
2 x Mysterius Challenger
Dr Boom
Tirion Fordring


Same combo.txt as in Data.
Same settings.txt as in Data.

* Mulligan - Pretty much the same, have ajusted the mulligan for "Gadgetzan Jouster"
Uses him instead of Zombie, with sometimes get buffed by secrets and kings to mid/late game. And heals enemy hero for 5.

--- Mulligan ---
// This File: _mulligan.txt
// Author: Blackoak
// Credits: emilcoff, Dre
// Version: 0.26 (16-Oct-15)
// History: Many Fixes
// Deck Name: SecretPaladin
// Hero: Paladin
// Deck Type: Mid-Range (Control)

// [1] Avenge (FP1_020)
// [1] Competitive Spirit (AT_073)
// [1] Noble Sacrifice (EX1_130)
// [1] Redemption (EX1_136)
// [1] Repentance (EX1_379)
// [1] Secretkeeper (EX1_080)
// [2] Haunted Creeper (FP1_002)
// [2] Ironbeak Owl (CS2_203)
// [2] Knife Juggler (NEW1_019)
// [2] Shielded Minibot (GVG_058)
// [3] Coghammer (GVG_059)
// [3] Divine Favor (EX1_349)
// [3] Muster for Battle (GVG_061)
// [4] Blessing of Kings (CS2_092)
// [4] Consecration (CS2_093)
// [4] Piloted Shredder (GVG_096)
// [4] Truesilver Champion (CS2_097)
// [5] Loatheb (FP1_030)
// [6] Mysterious Challenger (AT_079)
// [7] Dr. Boom (GVG_110)
// [8] Ragnaros the Firelord (EX1_298)
// [8] Tirion Fordring (EX1_383)
// ----------------------------------------------
// [2] Argent Protector (EX1_362)
// [2] Equality (EX1_619)
// [3] Aldor Peacekeeper (EX1_382)
// [3] Warhorse Trainer (GVG_059)
// [4] Chillwind Yeti (CS2_182)


// - A L L --------------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Argent Squire
hold;pala;all;EX1_008:1
// 2 x Argent Squire
hold;pala;all;EX1_008:2;coin

// 1 x Gadgetzan Jouster
hold;pala;all;AT_133:1
// 2 x Gadgetzan Jouster
hold;pala;all;AT_133:2;coin

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
hold;pala;all;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
hold;pala;all;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Haunted Creeper
hold;pala;all;FP1_002:1
// 1 x Haunted Creeper
hold;pala;all;FP1_002:2;coin
// 1 x Haunted Creeper + Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;all;FP1_002:1:NEW1_019/GVG_058;coin
// hold;pala;all;FP1_002:1:EX1_008/EX1_080
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
hold;pala;all;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
hold;pala;all;GVG_058:2;coin

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Coghammer + 1-Drop
hold;pala;all;GVG_059:1:EX1_008/EX1_080
// 1 x Coghammer + 2-Drop + Coin
hold;pala;all;GVG_059:1:NEW1_019/FP1_002/GVG_058/CS2_203
// 1 x Muster for Battle
// hold;pala;all;GVG_061:1:EX1_008/EX1_080/NEW1_019
// 1 x Muster for Battle + Coin
// hold;pala;all;GVG_061:1;coin
// 1 x Muster for Battle + Coin
hold;pala;all;GVG_061:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Blessing of Kings + Argent Squire + Shielded Minibot
hold;pala;all;CS2_092:1:EX1_008+GVG_058;coin
// 1 x Truesilver Champion + Coin
hold;pala;all;CS2_097:1:EX1_008/EX1_080/NEW1_019/GVG_058;coin
// 1 x Truesilver Champion if dont have 1 x Coghammer
// hold;pala;all;CS2_097:1:-GVG_059

// 6-DROP ---------------------------------------
// 1 x Mysterious Challenger + Secretkeeper + Coin
hold;pala;all;AT_079:1:EX1_080;coin

// IDEAL HAND -----------------------------------
// [1] Competitive Spirit + [3] Muster for Battle + Coin
hold;pala;all;AT_073:1:GVG_061;coin

// - D R U I D ----------------------------------
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;druid;GVG_096:1

// 6-DROP
// 1 x Mysterious Challenger + Secretkeeper + Coin
//hold;pala;druid;AT_079:1:EX1_080;coin

// - H U N T E R --------------------------------
// 2-DROP
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
hold;pala;hunter;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Coghammer + Coin
hold;pala;hunter;GVG_059:1;coin

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Consecration
hold;pala;hunter;CS2_093:1


// - P A L A D I N ------------------------------
// 3-DROP
// 1 x Coghammer + Coin
hold;pala;pala;GVG_059:1;coin

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Consecration
hold;pala;pala;CS2_093:1

// - P R I E S T --------------------------------
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder + Coin
hold;pala;priest;GVG_096:1;coin
// 1 x Chillwind Yeti + Coin
hold;pala;priest;CS2_182:1;coin

// - R O G U E ----------------------------------
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;thief;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Chillwind Yeti
hold;pala;thief;CS2_182:1
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;thief;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Chillwind Yeti
hold;pala;thief;CS2_182:1

// 5-DROP
// 1 x Harrison Jones
hold;pala;thief;EX1_558

// - W A R L O C K ------------------------------
// 2-DROP
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
hold;pala;warlock;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Coghammer + Coin
hold;pala;warlock;GVG_059:1;coin

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Consecration + Coin
hold;pala;warlock;CS2_093:1;coin

// - W A R R I O R ------------------------------
// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;warrior;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Chillwind Yeti
hold;pala;warrior;CS2_182:1

// 5-DROP
// 1 x Harrison Jones (EX1_558)
hold;pala;warrior;EX1_558


// LEFTOVERS ------------------------------------
// 1 x Truesilver Champion [Druid, Preist, Rogue, Shaman, Warrior]
// hold;pala;druid;CS2_097:1
// hold;pala;priest;CS2_097:1
// hold;pala;thief;CS2_097:1
// hold;pala;shaman;CS2_097:1
// hold;pala;warrior;CS2_097:1
// Aldor Peacekeeper [Druid, Shaman]
// hold;pala;druid;EX1_382:1
// hold;pala;shaman;EX1_382:1
// 1 x Argent Protector
// hold;pala;all;EX1_362:1
// 1 x Consecration [Mage, Hunter, Paladin, Shaman, Warlock]
// hold;pala;mage;CS2_093:1
// hold;pala;hunter;CS2_093:1
// hold;pala;pala;CS2_093:1
// hold;pala;shaman;CS2_093:1
// hold;pala;warlock;CS2_093:1
// 1 x Equality [Druid, Priest, Warrior]
// hold;pala;druid;EX1_619:1
// hold;pala;priest;EX1_619:1
// hold;pala;warrior;EX1_619:1
// 1 x Garrison Commander
// hold;pala;all;AT_080:1
// Silver Hand Regent
// hold;pala;all;AT_100
// Warhorse Trainer
// hold;pala;all;GVG_059
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