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draezl
#122 Posted : Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:41:46 PM(UTC)

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Has this been tested in arena? I'm looking for a "default" ruleset except better, would this ruleset be the way to go?
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Yoin
#123 Posted : Wednesday, January 7, 2015 2:44:47 PM(UTC)

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draezl;22439 wrote:
Has this been tested in arena? I'm looking for a "default" ruleset except better, would this ruleset be the way to go?

I've never tried botted play in Arena, so I don't know if the rules will work better than default ones. If someones tries it or tried it, please write a feedback about it.
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draezl
#124 Posted : Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:12:25 PM(UTC)

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But this ruleset works out better in general than the default ones in constructed right?
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Yoin
#125 Posted : Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:25:38 PM(UTC)

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I think so ;)
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draezl
#126 Posted : Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:30:30 PM(UTC)

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Yoin;22442 wrote:
I think so ;)


Nice! Will try it ;D

Is it optimized for specific heroes/decks or can you play most kind of decks? Maybe not zoo-ish decks but most of the general card decks
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Yoin
#127 Posted : Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:42:59 PM(UTC)

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You can try any hero, but the deck can't be an aggro one, so no zoo, no hunter aggro. The rules works nice with midrange and control decks constructed with cards from small collections (currently I have naxxramas and a few packs from Classic and GvG sets). I don't know how the rules perform with expensive decks.

If you have naxxramas, you can try my decks too.

http://www.hearthranger.com/forum/yaf_postst4008_Decks-with-win-rate-50--or-more-for-beginners--Control-Rule-Set.aspx
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Nemilost
#128 Posted : Friday, January 9, 2015 8:35:33 PM(UTC)
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Not bad basic deck for this board control rule set.
http://ru.hearthhead.com/deck=544/basic-paladin
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Golddieb
#129 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2015 3:06:40 PM(UTC)

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Are there any rules for Unstable Portal?

The bot doesn't use it even if there is mana left.
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Yoin
#130 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2015 3:23:04 PM(UTC)

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Golddieb;22588 wrote:
Are there any rules for Unstable Portal?

The bot doesn't use it even if there is mana left.

I don't have it, so I couldn't test it.

Which rules will be ok for the portal?
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Yoin
#132 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 9:01:34 AM(UTC)

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A few tweaks on Kill command, Mind Blast and the coin.

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exe3
#133 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 9:10:44 AM(UTC)
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You should add Swipe to the mulligan rules, as keeping it makes no sense at all.
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#135 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 9:19:06 AM(UTC)
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You should keep swipe against aggro though so probably keep it for warlock and maybe hunter?
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Yoin
#134 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 9:20:50 AM(UTC)

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exe3;22632 wrote:
You should add Swipe to the mulligan rules, as keeping it makes no sense at all.

Do you mulligan away Swipe vs all class heroes? Probably you will keep it vs Warlock and hunter to kill the aggro mobs.

And now, with all the mech decks played, keep a reset button is good IMHO. My rules are for basic/non-complex decks and their main goal is farm gold on rank 20-18 or casual games with a decent win rate. And in that range of ranks, Swipe can be casted without problems by turn 4 vs a lot of decks.

But, be free to change the mulligan rules to your play preferences. :)
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exe3
#136 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 9:33:29 AM(UTC)
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I changed it, because if I have to use Swipe by turn 4 that means I'm 90% gonna lose anyway as opponent has board control and if I use all my mana in turn 4 for a spell, he is gonna fill the board again as I basically lose one turn.
Also, I added a rule for BGH to only be kept in mulligan when playing versus warlock, however it might be useful against Druid as well but no so much. Against the other classes it's 100% useless to keep it in mulligan, I think.

Even if your deck rule is for basic/non-complex decks, adding some stuff it's not gonna hurt it, I think!
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Golddieb
#131 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 9:37:44 AM(UTC)

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Yoin;22591 wrote:
I don't have it, so I couldn't test it.

Which rules will be ok for the portal?


I don't think we need a big rule set for it.

Using it in a mech deck, so I would muligan it away and look for cheap minions.

I prefer casting Unstable Portal rather than ping oponent's face unless this leads to leathal.
In general I would not use the coin for it on turn 1.
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exe3
#137 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 9:45:11 AM(UTC)
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Yoin, as you probably know better, is there a way to write a rule that tells the bot which card/spell to play first?
Lots of times the bot would play Mechwarper after another Mech so it would lose 1 mana.
Another example is Life Tap. Normally after the bot calculates the entire turn and realizes he has >=2 mana it should Life Tap first then recalculate with the freshly drawn card. But it doesn't. Any ideas?
Is it possible to do it from the deck ruleset or is it the AI that is supposed to do that?
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Yoin
#138 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 10:58:50 AM(UTC)

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exe3;22638 wrote:
Yoin, as you probably know better, is there a way to write a rule that tells the bot which card/spell to play first?
Lots of times the bot would play Mechwarper after another Mech so it would lose 1 mana.
Another example is Life Tap. Normally after the bot calculates the entire turn and realizes he has >=2 mana it should Life Tap first then recalculate with the freshly drawn card. But it doesn't. Any ideas?
Is it possible to do it from the deck ruleset or is it the AI that is supposed to do that?

Sorry, I don't know how we can to do that. I think that is not posible with current conditions. So, JoyAdmin must add some new conditions to manage that.

I will think about the portal. Maybe I will release a new version of the rules this night. Depends of my free time.
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Yoin
#139 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 4:38:54 PM(UTC)

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- Added simple rules for Unstable Portal. For now it gain 20 for play it after turn 3 (second turn for the player who starts)
- Added Mulligan rules to:
* Swipe: Bot will keep it if enemy hero is Warlock or Hunter
* Big Game Hunter: Always mulligan out it.
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Yoin
#141 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 5:47:39 PM(UTC)

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Added Mechwarper to rules. I hope that now the bot cast mechwarper before than other mechs.

Also, now the bot will try to kill enemy mechwarpers too ASAP.
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BPK
#142 Posted : Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:38:23 PM(UTC)
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You called it "mechwaper" instead of "mechwarper" so it causes this error when starting the bot

http://puu.sh/eo5l9/4a5bd0821e.jpg
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