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Sepefeets Silverfish update (OG, Kara, MSG)
er009
#1263 Posted : Friday, November 4, 2016 9:40:15 AM(UTC)
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Crash log while playing murloc paladin

log: http://pastebin.com/3ryzJMyz
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sepefeets on 11/4/2016(UTC)
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#1264 Posted : Saturday, November 5, 2016 7:10:01 AM(UTC)
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sepefeets on 11/5/2016(UTC)
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#1265 Posted : Saturday, November 5, 2016 1:29:06 PM(UTC)

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How difficult do you think it would be to modify silverfish to play against itselt? (without UI)
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sepefeets on 11/5/2016(UTC)
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#1266 Posted : Saturday, November 5, 2016 1:45:55 PM(UTC)

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contagious86;42879 wrote:
@sepe

How difficult do you think it would be to modify silverfish to play against itselt? (without UI)

It already existed in botmaker's repo in the form of a client and server but I removed it all because it hadn't been maintained.
mrgodai
#1267 Posted : Saturday, November 5, 2016 5:41:56 PM(UTC)

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why did the bot throw a lightning bolt at the hunter face on turn 2? i have behave = control; in settings

http://pastebin.com/FetBczcX
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sepefeets on 11/6/2016(UTC)
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#1268 Posted : Sunday, November 6, 2016 5:38:52 AM(UTC)
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mrgodai;42886 wrote:
why did the bot throw a lightning bolt at the hunter face on turn 2?


Face is the place
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sepefeets on 11/6/2016(UTC)
zq1383
#1271 Posted : Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:05:18 AM(UTC)
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what will sf do , if you have a decklist/combo/muligan but its playing arena ?


What if you dont have a decklist/combo/muligan but still playing arena X_X
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#1269 Posted : Sunday, November 6, 2016 4:32:08 PM(UTC)

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mrgodai;42886 wrote:
why did the bot throw a lightning bolt at the hunter face on turn 2? i have behave = control; in settings

http://pastebin.com/FetBczcX

Control just means that it will favor killing off minions on board while enemy is high health but for that to happen there needs to be minions on board. I'm not sure whether this play is bad or not since it buffs tunnel trogg, you have a spirit claws to potentially handle everything they throw out, and the enemy has nothing yet. Dre used to add a card value on lightning bolt to prevent playing it early but his latest configs don't have it any more so maybe he already came to a similar conclusion?

zq1383;42890 wrote:
what will sf do , if you have a decklist/combo/muligan but its playing arena ?

What if you dont have a decklist/combo/muligan but still playing arena X_X

It will use them of course. (deck lists are not configs though, they are just for you to know what cards are intended to be used with the configs)

It will use defaults.
zhouyu888
#1272 Posted : Sunday, November 6, 2016 8:50:16 PM(UTC)
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@sepe

http://pastebin.com/Mpt3H3Ny
why the shaman didn't play hero power with 2 mana left? but if i try to use test file and simulate, it does show the best move is to use hero power.
I quite confuse now.
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sepefeets on 11/6/2016(UTC)
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#1273 Posted : Sunday, November 6, 2016 9:33:43 PM(UTC)

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zhouyu888;42907 wrote:
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http://pastebin.com/Mpt3H3Ny
why the shaman didn't play hero power with 2 mana left? but if i try to use test file and simulate, it does show the best move is to use hero power.
I quite confuse now.

You're probably not using the same _combo.txt for both. Deck/class config switching only works while it is running with the bot, for test.txt you need to put the configs in one of the base directories.

With no configs it wants to play valiant and thalnos and attack face, with Dre's configs it wants to just play valiant. Even if I raise the combo bonus up drastically it still doesn't want to hero power, even with older builds, so the action might be getting cut... It will take a while to figure out the particular reason but it's just a fringe case.
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#1275 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 12:29:48 AM(UTC)

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2/8 mana left, Re-equips claw when there is still 1 charge left instead of dropping totem golem

http://pastebin.com/w37exwBv
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sepefeets on 11/7/2016(UTC)
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#1270 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 2:10:12 AM(UTC)
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sepefeets;42899 wrote:
Control just means that it will favor killing off minions on board while enemy is high health but for that to happen there needs to be minions on board. I'm not sure whether this play is bad or not since it buffs tunnel trogg, you have a spirit claws to potentially handle everything they throw out, and the enemy has nothing yet. Dre used to add a card value on lightning bolt to prevent playing it early but his latest configs don't have it any more so maybe he already came to a similar conclusion?


It will use them of course. (deck lists are not configs though, they are just for you to know what cards are intended to be used with the configs)

It will use defaults.



I tried it out ... 0-3 LOL

PAIN 150gold :(
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sepefeets on 11/7/2016(UTC)
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#1274 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 3:37:06 AM(UTC)
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sepefeets;42908 wrote:
You're probably not using the same _combo.txt for both. Deck/class config switching only works while it is running with the bot, for test.txt you need to put the configs in one of the base directories.

With no configs it wants to play valiant and thalnos and attack face, with Dre's configs it wants to just play valiant. Even if I raise the combo bonus up drastically it still doesn't want to hero power, even with older builds, so the action might be getting cut... It will take a while to figure out the particular reason but it's just a fringe case.



I'm using the same _combo.txt (in Hearthranger/ExternBot/silverfish folder).
If I update the _combo.txt and save it while the bot is running, will SF read my updated file or I need to close and reopen the bot again?
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sepefeets on 11/7/2016(UTC)
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#1276 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 4:03:10 AM(UTC)
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Also if i want an enemy minion to be killed first, will add that card value in _combo.txt work?
For example add card value 10 to emperor thaurissan, so bot will try to kill enemy's emperor thaurissan first.

If not possible, is there any way I can override this? I encountered several times that bot will just ignore emperor thaurissan for several turns :(
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sepefeets on 11/7/2016(UTC)
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#1277 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 6:06:41 AM(UTC)
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sepe, meta goes to more discover, how you hope to cope that?
now bot realy bad and slow [calculating] play discover cards as i see
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sepefeets on 11/7/2016(UTC)
mrgodai
#1278 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 8:53:36 AM(UTC)

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mary7;42916 wrote:
sepe, meta goes to more discover, how you hope to cope that?
now bot realy bad and slow [calculating] play discover cards as i see



it can cope with discover with _discover.txt file, just needs lots of inputs for specific decks.
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sepefeets on 11/7/2016(UTC)
naturax
#1279 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 9:48:41 AM(UTC)
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Ragnaros missplay in last 3 turns before my defeat ;( (I died with ragnaros in my hand)

http://pastebin.com/xnGiWAsi
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sepefeets on 11/7/2016(UTC)
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#1280 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 4:11:25 PM(UTC)

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naturax;42918 wrote:
Ragnaros missplay in last 3 turns before my defeat ;( (I diet with ragnaros in my hand)

http://pastebin.com/xnGiWAsi



you can lower the rag value in the _combo.txt to make sure it gets dropped.
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sepefeets on 11/7/2016(UTC)
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#1281 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 4:24:48 PM(UTC)
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I dont have any Ragnaros value in _combo.txt. Just using dre mid-range shaman from rank 5 thread.
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sepefeets on 11/7/2016(UTC)
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#1282 Posted : Monday, November 7, 2016 6:02:22 PM(UTC)

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@zq1383 - Like I say in the OP, don't expect much in arena...

@zhouyu888 - settings.txt reloads every match but the other files do not, you need to restart it after changing them. You can not affect what minions are attacked but if you report misplays then I will get to them eventually.

@mary7 - Yes I've been meaning to improve _discovery.txt ever since I added it, but it kept being pushed back by other things and the only good deck that really used it (zoo) fell out of meta. Now that they are adding many discover cards I'll try to revisit it before MSG comes. Kazakus looks like it's going to be absolute hell to support though - over 100 options, presumably 3x6x6=109, each needing a sim and penalties for both the discover choices and the playing of the final card.

@naturax - Enemy had 3 small minions including a dread steed and even a lucky 25% to face would never have won it. There was never a good time to play it.
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mary7 on 11/8/2016(UTC)
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