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Project: Legend - Silverfish Ladder Climb (Expert Users)
RG1825
#435 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2015 2:50:29 PM(UTC)
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BlackOak's DragonPriest has been getting me 57.14% win-rate today over ~30ish games. Only change to deck is Chillmaw replaced with Boom until I have enough dust to craft. I played 1/2 myself though. Got me up from rank 19 to 11 and been hovering around at level 12 since. Thanks so much for these tools and all of the info posted! Going to try a run of ~50 games tomorrow if I get Chillmaw and do a more accurate testing.
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#428 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2015 3:15:37 PM(UTC)
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gozadera;31879 wrote:
Hi guys!

First of all, sorry for my bad english Im not native.

Second, I have a midrange hunter deck with nice results with the bot, it would be nice if you can create a mulligan and settings with this deck to get better result anyway. I can test it when you do this and share with you win-rate ratio.

The deck is:

2x Hunter's mark
1x Webspinner
1x Beartrap
1x Freezing trap
2x Haunted creeper
1x King's Elekk
2x Knife juggler
2x Mad scientist
2x Eaglehorn bow
2x Animal companion
2x Kill command
2x Unleash the hounds
2x Houndmaster
2x Piloted shredder
1x Loatheb
2x Sludge belcher
2x Savannah highmane
1x Dr boom

I dont know how can I help with make a custom mulligan and deck rules.
Added to data set as a quick alpha, based on the mid-range hunter :)
scottbreak;31834 wrote:
Hey everyone. This is my first post. I am big fan of HearthRanger, and recently, thanks to this post, have configured silverfish. Thanks to everyone who has worked on all aspects of HearthRanger. I just had a quick comment. When I am using Secredin_(aggro), the bot is playing secrets before the Secret Keeper. Hope you guys can fix that. Cheers!
added shielded minibot as opener to lessen this hsppening
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#436 Posted : Saturday, October 31, 2015 4:30:26 PM(UTC)

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Recent youtube video of Kriparian he talks about the mysterious chalenger, but for a fair bit of the video he accualy talks about botting.

https://youtu.be/ECbJ3tU4hJY
Janko123
#437 Posted : Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:37:15 PM(UTC)
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Hey guys, I am wondering to use Secredin (Midrange), however I have one question, why is there no Murloc Knight in those decks? It is pretty OP card :).

EDIT: And what do you think, that is the fastest grind deck for Paladin? :)
EDIT2: I have my personal Secredin, that works much better than those decks in AutoSwitch Tool. I tested those decks, at the beginning of this season, because I knew, that there are goin to be strong players, so I switched to Secredin (I tried both, Aggro and Midrange). I didnt get that great results with them, bot did few misplays by miscalculating juggles from Knife Juggler (for example he attacked with my Argent Squire first, then put Juggler on board and Muster, it left one of his minion with 2 hp, however I couldnt kill it with my weapon, because that Squire attacked first)and some more, so I got probably around 1 win per 25 minutes. If you want I can give you my Secredin (Aggro) from last season, I think that I did some good changes and when I played with him, by myself I killed everyone in 6 turns (really good winrate, I lost like 1 of 4 games, all the way to rank 10). So if you would like to do it into your bot, then I can send you my deck :). However I dont want to bother you with another deck, to have more work, so only if you think, that it would be worth it :).
EDIT3: Did a little more tests and I found out that it constantly plays Palladins hero power before putting down Juggler and sometimes even minions. (using Secredin- Midrange settings, etc.)
godshades
#438 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:16:14 AM(UTC)

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have 10 hp, hand have molten giant + healbot, bot play healbot first then sunfury, can wrire a combo for play giant first ? :D

and recombo not use to minion under 5 mana
luffyDmonkey
#439 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:10:57 AM(UTC)
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Rudetski;31938 wrote:
Ok I got it down now ... made a deck running 53 % on ladder.
Went from rank 22 to 13 autostop. Winrate secret pala

secret pala

This is with only using silver as external AI, no other adjustments, I have two left hands when it comes to programming skills.


Edit: sorry if I had to post this somewhere else :-) hope this helps.

i post it on the right place. :)
keima97
#440 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:21:35 AM(UTC)
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Can u add quartermaster + muster combo to midrange paladin
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#441 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 11:24:04 AM(UTC)
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got rank 4 on last season with secret paladin then climbed up to legend myself. thank you all for your efforts !
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#442 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 2:00:18 PM(UTC)
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asubasu;31950 wrote:
got rank 4 on last season with secret paladin then climbed up to legend myself. thank you all for your efforts !

Whos deck did you use? :) (assuming, that you used those from AutoSwitchClass Tool)
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#447 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 4:53:38 PM(UTC)
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Janko123;31954 wrote:
Whos deck did you use? :) (assuming, that you used those from AutoSwitchClass Tool)

if i'm right he used this deck ----> http://imgur.com/a/cMQwF <-----
and autoswitchclass is nothing more the a program that safes you mulligan and combo profiels, right?
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#448 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 5:03:43 PM(UTC)
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luffyDmonkey;31966 wrote:
if i'm right he used this deck ----> http://imgur.com/a/cMQwF <-----
and autoswitchclass is nothing more the a program that safes you mulligan and combo profiels, right?

Yeah, however there are decks that you have to use inside hero´s folder if you want to play with its settings, right? :) For example I cant use his deck, if it is not inside and it has different card, that is not written in those settings, can I? :)
Colforbin
#449 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 6:23:21 PM(UTC)
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Hey guys,

New botter here just getting used to everything, I was wondering if you guys could help me out with something.

I am currently using a midrange secret paladin, making use of the mulligan and combo data provided by blackOak through the autoswitch class, along with the external silverfish AI. I was wondering if there is a custom deck rules I should be using for this deck outside of the default to optimize the win rate some more? (on the basic deck screen where you choose mode and deck).

This deck is fine for gold grinding/gold portrait/questing, but I am currently holding around a 47-48% win rate at rank 15-18 so it seems difficult to climb with. I saw in the opening post this deck was listed as being capable of 55% from rank 6-20, so just wondering if I am missing something (Or if there is a very specific deck list with alternative mulligans/combos to what was in the data set to get this win rate).

This is my first season trying this so just looking to get to rank 5 and wrap my head around all the mechanics before attempting my own builds going forward to try to contribute to this legend process. I'm new to this, but I have some experience in coding so I think I can be a quick study.
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#451 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 6:33:06 PM(UTC)
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Colforbin;31971 wrote:
Hey guys,

New botter here just getting used to everything, I was wondering if you guys could help me out with something.

I am currently using a midrange secret paladin, making use of the mulligan and combo data provided by blackOak through the autoswitch class, along with the external silverfish AI. I was wondering if there is a custom deck rules I should be using for this deck outside of the default to optimize the win rate some more? (on the basic deck screen where you choose mode and deck).

This deck is fine for gold grinding/gold portrait/questing, but I am currently holding around a 47-48% win rate at rank 15-18 so it seems difficult to climb with. I saw in the opening post this deck was listed as being capable of 55% from rank 6-20, so just wondering if I am missing something (Or if there is a very specific deck list with alternative mulligans/combos to what was in the data set to get this win rate).

This is my first season trying this so just looking to get to rank 5 and wrap my head around all the mechanics before attempting my own builds going forward to try to contribute to this legend process. I'm new to this, but I have some experience in coding so I think I can be a quick study.

It can climb high, however definitelly not at the very beginning of a new season :). I have a few problems too, for example Knife Juggler doesnt do what it should and few more misplays, I´ll try this deck after 15 day of the new season to see how much it can climb, however I would give you a advice to not do this right now, because there are too good players on low ranks right now :).
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#452 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:09:45 PM(UTC)
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Janko123;31972 wrote:
It can climb high, however definitelly not at the very beginning of a new season :). I have a few problems too, for example Knife Juggler doesnt do what it should and few more misplays, I´ll try this deck after 15 day of the new season to see how much it can climb, however I would give you a advice to not do this right now, because there are too good players on low ranks right now :).


Right ok that makes sense. I just wanted to make sure I had everything setup correctly so that I was optimizing the win rate. When using Silverfish the choice of "deck rules" in the hearth ranger basic deck screen is irrelevant right?

Also I think Ill still just keep running it in ranked because my MMR in Casual is pretty high so I am seeing about the same 47-48% win rate there as well. Might as well at least get those gold portrait wins in =P.

And Ya I've noticed the bot will sometimes just hero power over playing juggler.

Janko123
#453 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:16:33 PM(UTC)
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Colforbin;31975 wrote:
Right ok that makes sense. I just wanted to make sure I had everything setup correctly so that I was optimizing the win rate. When using Silverfish the choice of "deck rules" in the hearth ranger basic deck screen is irrelevant right?

Also I think Ill still just keep running it in ranked because my MMR in Casual is pretty high so I am seeing about the same 47-48% win rate there as well. Might as well at least get those gold portrait wins in =P.

And Ya I've noticed the bot will sometimes just hero power over playing juggler.


Yep, it is irrelevant. I would be so happy, if that problem with Juggler can be fixed, because it literally lost me few games. I also really feel like the bot should consider options of Juggles, that it can kill the minion (basically what I am sayin, that it should left minions without attacking anything, do Juggler and Muster and then see if there is a option to clear the board).
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#443 Posted : Sunday, November 1, 2015 9:40:45 PM(UTC)
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Janko123;31954 wrote:
Whos deck did you use? :) (assuming, that you used those from AutoSwitchClass Tool)


here is the deck i botted with. i switched it many times because of the population of aggro decks when climbing the legend.


2x Avenge
1x Competitive Spirit (cut for 2nd redemption)
2x Noble Sacrifice
1x Repentance
1x Redemption (x2 redemption with annoy tron)
2x Secretkeeper
1x Argent Protector (silverfish ai doesn't use Ironbeak Owl i don't know why so i used this card instead)
2x Haunted Creeper
2x Knife Juggler
2x Shielded Minibot
1x Coghammer (or Annoy Tron)
1x Divine Favor (Annoy Tron if too many aggro)
2x Muster for Battle
2x Blessing of Kings
1x Consecration (sometimes 2 consecration)
2x Piloted Shredder
1x Sludge Belcher
2x Mysterious Challenger
1x Dr Boom
1x Tirion Fordring

I have problem with some cards like Ironbeak Owl, Worgen Infiltrator, Arcane Intellect. Silverfish bot never plays those cards it's just holding in hand even it has spare mana. If anyone has the same issue pls tell me how to fix it =)
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#444 Posted : Monday, November 2, 2015 3:53:11 AM(UTC)
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asubasu;31983 wrote:



I have problem with some cards like Ironbeak Owl, Worgen Infiltrator, Arcane Intellect. Silverfish bot never plays those cards it's just holding in hand even it has spare mana. If anyone has the same issue pls tell me how to fix it =)

i noticed it by worgen infiltrator. but if you want to get it fix: go to the silverfish thread and post you problem + log files
Vick Nan
#445 Posted : Monday, November 2, 2015 4:25:31 AM(UTC)

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luffyDmonkey;31989 wrote:
go to the silverfish thread and post you problem + log files


That's right. Silverfish thread is primary, for general silverfish concerns and this thread is secondary, about decks and datasets(mulligan + combo) for climbing the ladder. This thread was made to get the bot to be able to reach legendary and is what we are focusing on mainly here.

This is not the place to ask for setting up, do that somewhere else and if you still do it here, Oakie can and will move your posts away. As the title says, this is for expert users, not the place to post your first post to ask for help in.

We need to keep organized to have a shot at this, in addition the influx of new members is exponential so all the more reason.

Friendly reminder.


Edit: POST LOGS IN SILVERFISH THREAD thanks.


Best,
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#5 Posted : Monday, November 2, 2015 6:51:20 AM(UTC)
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BlackOak;29886 wrote:
DECKS IN DATA SET ARE:

Druid:
AggroDruid (Alpha Build) - Requested by Onyx & dm3d
RampDruid [win-rate:48% ranks: 15-11] (sample of only 52 games)

Hunter:
Wrangler Hunter (Mid-Range) - Added 21-Oct-15
FaceHunter - Added 13-Oct-15
FaceHunter [win-rate:50% ranks:20-10] thanks luffyDmonkey - Added 23-Oct-15
Face (Budget) [win-rate:50% ranks:20-18]

Mage:
Tempo [win-rate:53% ranks:13-10] - Update! 25-Oct-15
MechMage [Not good in current meta 33% win-rate] - Update! 25-Oct-15
FreezeMage (Alpha Build) - Update! 25-Oct-15
TempoMage2 [win-rate:53.8% ranks:15-10] - Added 25-Oct-15 New!

Paladin:
Secredin (mid-range) [win-rate:55% ranks:20-6] thanks emilcoff, Dre, Per4mer - Updated 21-Oct-15
Secredin (aggro)

Priest:
DragonPriest [win-rate:50% ranks:20-13]
ControlPriest (Beta Build) - Added 25-Oct-15 New!

Rogue:
Cut-Throat (Alpha Build) [win-rate:33% ranks:15-12] requested by NICKBETTS
BlackOil (Alpha Build) - Low win-rate!
Pirate Rogue [win-rate:51% ranks: 18-11] - Added 23-Oct-15
Rogue(Aggro) (Alpha Build) requested by 920banan - Added 30-Oct-15 New!

Shaman:
TempoTotem [win-rate: 54% ranks:15-14] thanks jdubya29 - Added 20-Oct-15

Warlock:
ZooLock thanks sadpwner
TokenZoo thanks Neoray - Added 22-Oct-15

Warrior:
ControlWarrior [win-rate:51% ranks:17-14] thanks Vick Nan (win-rate may be higher hard to tell seeing I don't have all the cards) - Added 19-Oct-15
Control [win-rate:55% casual] requested by KarataroukSenpai

Despite the low win-rate on some of the above decks they can win 3+ games in row, so they are still worth playing.

All credit given to those that provide files for deck with over a 50% win-rate in ranked play.

*** Please beware this is very much a work in progress ***




Token Zoo winrate: Token Zoo used Blackoaks decklist
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#456 Posted : Monday, November 2, 2015 11:49:15 AM(UTC)
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Got a problem with Murloc Knight in Secredin aggro deck. Bot doesn't play it even if he has mana for both hero power and Murloc Knight.

Found this combo in file:
AT_076,250;CS2_101,0;bonus:350;hero:pala

I'm pretty sure it's the one that makes bot not to play Murloc knight. So could anyone tell me should i delete or rewrite this value to make bot use this card again, cause it's really op.
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