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920banan
#409 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:57:42 AM(UTC)
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Per4mer;31817 wrote:
Hey Guys.

AmOn asked about a midrange Paladin deck. And I have just made this one with correct mulligan for each class.
Works good, but still not legend. "Rank 5 atm" Has potiential for doing better against freeze Mage and face hunter. So are still ajusting the deck.

Inspired from this deck at hearthpwn... Just made a few ajustments against the aggressive meta atm...

http://www.hearthpwn.com...idrange-over-80-winrate

"Sorry for it being a long post" Dont know how to make it "hidden".

DECKLIST

Zombie Chow
2x equality
ironbeak owl
2x knife juggler
2x shielded minibot
coghammer
2x muster for battle
2x aldor peacekeeper
big game hunter
2x truesilver champion
2x consecration
2x murloc knight
piloted shredder
solemn vigil
2x healbot
quartermaster
2x belcher
justicar truehearth
Dr. Boom
Tirion Fordring


MULLIGAN

// This File: _mulligan.txt
// Author: Per4mer
// Version: 0.2 (28-Oct-15)
// Deck Name: Paladin Midrange
// Hero: Paladin
// Deck Type: Mid-Range (Control)

// - P A L A D I N ------------------------------
// [1] Avenge (FP1_020)
// [1] Noble Sacrifice (EX1_130)
// [1] Redemption (EX1_136)
// [1] Repentance (EX1_379)
// [2] Shielded Minibot (GVG_058)
// [3] Aldor Peacekeeper (EX1_382)
// [3] Coghammer (GVG_059)
// [3] Muster for Battle (GVG_061)
// [4] Blessing of Kings (CS2_092)
// [4] Consecration (CS2_093)
// [5] Quartermaster (GVG_060)
// [6] Mysterious Challenger (AT_079)
// [8] Tirion Fordring (EX1_383)
// - N E U T R A L ------------------------------
// [1] Zombie Chow (FP1_001)
// [2] Haunted Creeper (FP1_002)
// [2] Knife Juggler (NEW1_019)
// [4] Piloted Shredder (GVG_096)
// [5] Loatheb (FP1_030)
// [5] Sludge Belcher (FP1_012)
// [7] Dr. Boom (GVG_110)
// - V A R I A T I O N S ------------------------
// [1] Competitive Spirit (AT_073)
// [1] Secretkeeper (EX1_080)
// [2] Ironbeak Owl (CS2_203)
// [2] Argent Protector (EX1_362)
// [2] Equality (EX1_619)
// [3] Divine Favor (EX1_349)
// [3] Warhorse Trainer (GVG_059)
// [4] Chillwind Yeti (CS2_182)
// [4] Truesilver Champion (CS2_097)
// [8] Ragnaros the Firelord (EX1_298)
// [4] Murloc Knight (AT_076)
// [5] Dragon Consort (BRM_018)
// [2] Faerie Dragon (NEW1_023)

// - D R U I D ----------------------------------

// 1-DROP
// 1 x Zombie Chow
hold;pala;druid;FP1_001

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;druid;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
// hold;pala;druid;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
// hold;pala;druid;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
// hold;pala;druid;GVG_058:2;coin
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
// hold;pala;druid;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Muster for Battle ++
hold;pala;druid;GVG_061:1
// 1 x Coghammer
hold;pala;druid;GVG_059:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;druid;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Truesilver Champion
hold;pala;druid;CS2_097:1


// - H U N T E R --------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Zombie Chow
hold;pala;hunter;FP1_001

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;hunter;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
// hold;pala;hunter;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
// hold;pala;hunter;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
// hold;pala;hunter;GVG_058:2;coin
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
// hold;pala;hunter;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Muster for Battle
hold;pala;hunter;GVG_061:1
// 1 x Coghammer
hold;pala;hunter;GVG_059:1
// 1 x Aldor Peacekeeper
hold;pala;hunter;EX1_382:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;hunter;GVG_096:1


// - M A G E ------------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Zombie Chow
hold;pala;mage;FP1_001

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;mage;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
// hold;pala;mage;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
// hold;pala;mage;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
// hold;pala;mage;GVG_058:2;coin
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
// hold;pala;mage;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Muster for Battle
hold;pala;mage;GVG_061:1
// 1 x Coghammer
hold;pala;mage;GVG_059:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;mage;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Truesilver Champion
hold;pala;mage;CS2_097:1


// - P A L A D I N ------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Zombie Chow
hold;pala;pala;FP1_001

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;pala;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
// hold;pala;pala;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
// hold;pala;pala;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
// hold;pala;pala;GVG_058:2;coin
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
// hold;pala;pala;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Muster for Battle
hold;pala;pala;GVG_061:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;pala;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Consecration
hold;pala;pala;CS2_093:1


// - P R I E S T --------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Zombie Chow
hold;pala;priest;FP1_001

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;priest;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
// hold;pala;priest;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
// hold;pala;priest;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
// hold;pala;priest;GVG_058:2;coin
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
// hold;pala;priest;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Muster for Battle ++
hold;pala;priest;GVG_061:1
// 1 x Coghammer
hold;pala;priest;GVG_059:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;priest;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Truesilver Champion
hold;pala;priest;CS2_097:1


// - R O G U E ----------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Zombie Chow
hold;pala;thief;FP1_001

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;thief;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
// hold;pala;thief;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
// hold;pala;thief;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
// hold;pala;thief;GVG_058:2;coin

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;thief;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Truesilver Champion
hold;pala;thief;CS2_097:1


// - S H A M A N --------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Zombie Chow
hold;pala;shaman;FP1_001

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;shaman;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
// hold;pala;shaman;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
// hold;pala;shaman;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
// hold;pala;shaman;GVG_058:2;coin

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Muster for Battle ++
hold;pala;shaman;GVG_061:1
// 1 x Coghammer
hold;pala;shaman;GVG_059:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;shaman;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Truesilver Champion
hold;pala;shaman;CS2_097:1
// 1 x Consecration
hold;pala;shaman;CS2_093:1


// - W A R L O C K ------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Zombie Chow
hold;pala;shaman;FP1_001

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;warlock;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
// hold;pala;warlock;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
// hold;pala;warlock;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
// hold;pala;warlock;GVG_058:2;coin
// 1 x Ironbeak Owl
// hold;pala;warlock;CS2_203:1

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Muster for Battle ++
hold;pala;warlock;GVG_061:1
// 1 x Aldor Peacekeeper
hold;pala;warlock;EX1_382:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;warlock;GVG_096:1

// - W A R R I O R ------------------------------
// 1-DROP
// 1 x Zombie Chow
hold;pala;warrior;FP1_001

// 2-DROP
// 1 x Knife Juggler
// hold;pala;warrior;NEW1_019:1
// 2 x Knife Juggler + Coin
// hold;pala;warrior;NEW1_019:2;coin
// 1 x Shielded Minibot
// hold;pala;warrior;GVG_058:1
// 2 x Shielded Minibot + Coin
// hold;pala;warrior;GVG_058:2;coin

// 3-DROP
// 1 x Muster for Battle
hold;pala;warrior;GVG_061:1

// 4-DROP
// 1 x Piloted Shredder
hold;pala;warrior;GVG_096:1
// 1 x Truesilver Champion
hold;pala;warrior;CS2_097:1


COMBO

// Version: 0.18 (27-Oct-15)
EX1_619,0;CS2_093,0;bonus:5;hero:pala
NEW1_019,15;GVG_061,40;bonus:75;hero:pala
AT_076,25;CS2_101,0;bonus:50;hero:pala
AT_127,25;CS2_101,0;bonus:50;hero:pala
AT_090,25;CS2_101,0;bonus:50;hero:pala
BRM_018,25;nxttrn;EX1_572,0;bonusfirst:0;bonussecond:100;hero:pala
BRM_018,25;nxttrn;AT_123,0;bonusfirst:0;bonussecond:90;hero:pala
GAME_005,0;AT_079,0;bonus:50;hero:pala
AT_073,0;nxttrn;GAME_005,5;GVG_061,0;mana:1;bonusfirst:25;bonussecond:10;hero:pala
GAME_005,0;GVG_058,0;mana:1;bonus:50;hero:pala


SETTINGS

// This File: Settings.txt
// Author: Per4mer
// Version: 0.1 (28-Oct-15)
// Deck Name: Paladin Midrange
// Hero: Paladin
// Deck Type: Mid-Range (Control)

enfacehp = 20;
maxwide = 5000;
twotsamount = 1000;
simEnemySecondTurn = false;
playarround = true;
playaroundprob = 50;
playaroundprob2 = 80;
enemyTurnMaxWideSecondTime = 200;
enemyTurnMaxWide = 20;
enemySecondTurnMaxWide = 10;
nextTurnDeep = 6;
nextTurnMaxWide = 20;
nextTurnTotalBoards = 200;
useSecretsPlayArround = true;
alpha = 50;
simulatePlacement = false;
useExternalProcess = true;
passiveWaiting = false;
behave = control;
concedeOnBadBoard = true;
speed = true;


Any questions... Feel free to ask :)
Will post again when i hit rank 3...

/Per4mer


ah man first of all i thought its going to be a good deck but when i woke up with these result i wasnt really happy xd http://scr.hu/5wej/x7tcg
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#411 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 7:35:16 AM(UTC)
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920banan;31839 wrote:
ah man first of all i thought its going to be a good deck but when i woke up with these result i wasnt really happy xd http://scr.hu/5wej/x7tcg


Yeah that deck didnt work out well for me aswell but its a nice deck when i played it instead of bot. What rank you are at now 920banan?

Back to midrange secret pally for now, it seems best atm.
sakuden
#420 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 7:43:16 AM(UTC)
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Just got rank 5 with Firebat dragon priest a few days ago without chillmaw so i replaced it with chromagus, that took me about 15 days with around 40-45% win rate since start of this season, the day after it went straight down to rank 13 but I'm ok with it since I'm farming for golden portrait and never really was aiming for rank 5 chest.

There is alot of missplays silver does and I have no clue how it managed to get that far up on the ladder but I know for sure that this deck is stable around rank 11. And I have around 330 wins so far.

Muligan and combo is all thanks to Oak.
gozadera
#421 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:10:15 AM(UTC)
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sakuden;31841 wrote:
Just got rank 5 with Firebat dragon priest a few days ago without chillmaw so i replaced it with chromagus, that took me about 15 days with around 40-45% win rate since start of this season, the day after it went straight down to rank 13 but I'm ok with it since I'm farming for golden portrait and never really was aiming for rank 5 chest.

There is alot of missplays silver does and I have no clue how it managed to get that far up on the ladder but I know for sure that this deck is stable around rank 11. And I have around 330 wins so far.

Muligan and combo is all thanks to Oak.


Silver is missplaying with all my decks too.
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#417 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:57:51 AM(UTC)
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My bot made rank 5 this night on EU. Playtime was from ~21h(CET) till 03h, starting at rank 10 winrate was 62% , at rank 6 -5 the rate dropped to 52%. he lost the rank after some games then i stopped.
This mornig i botted again starting rank 6 and he reached 5 again but now back at 6 again.

I'm using blackoaks settings/mull./combo "secredin midrange"

Here is the deck i used maybe someone wants to try it :

2x Avenge
2x Noble Sacrifice
1x Repentance
1x Redemption
2x Secretkeeper
1x Equality
2x Haunted Creeper
2x Knife Juggler
2x Shielded Minibot
1x Coghammer
1x Divine Favor
2x Muster for Battle
1x Aldor Peacekeeper
2x Blessing of Kings
1x Consecration
2x Piloted Shredder
1x Loatheb
2x Mysterious Challenger
1x Dr Boom
1x Ragnaros the Firelord
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#422 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:40:44 AM(UTC)

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gozadera;31842 wrote:
Silver is missplaying with all my decks too.


Not helping.

You need to report the misplays to Botmaker in the silverfish thread, with log attached.

Silverfish is a free open source crowd sourced project and not a one man show where we get to play disappointed paying customers.

We're slowly getting in proof of people reaching ranks 6-4, even 3, which is afterall a massive leap of progress in a short time. Optionally, choose one of those decks if you want to see less misplays.

Per4mer
#410 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 1:12:25 PM(UTC)
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920banan;31839 wrote:
ah man first of all i thought its going to be a good deck but when i woke up with these result i wasnt really happy xd http://scr.hu/5wej/x7tcg


Yeahr..

I have been struggeling with the deck as well now. Just wanted you guys to know the details, so we have a mid pally deck with settings.

But yes, the best i have tried by far is secret pally build, the one with belcher and tyrion.

Trying to play with the midrange hunter atm, but jumps around 7-9.
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#418 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:05:37 PM(UTC)
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Falkic15;31845 wrote:
My bot made rank 5 this night on EU. Playtime was from ~21h(CET) till 03h, starting at rank 10 winrate was 62% , at rank 6 -5 the rate dropped to 52%. he lost the rank after some games then i stopped.
This mornig i botted again starting rank 6 and he reached 5 again but now back at 6 again.

I'm using blackoaks settings/mull./combo "secredin midrange"

Here is the deck i used maybe someone wants to try it :

2x Avenge
2x Noble Sacrifice
1x Repentance
1x Redemption
2x Secretkeeper
1x Equality
2x Haunted Creeper
2x Knife Juggler
2x Shielded Minibot
1x Coghammer
1x Divine Favor
2x Muster for Battle
1x Aldor Peacekeeper
2x Blessing of Kings
1x Consecration
2x Piloted Shredder
1x Loatheb
2x Mysterious Challenger
1x Dr Boom
1x Ragnaros the Firelord


What DeckRuleFile do you use for this deck, DeckRules_Rush.xlsx? and do you use AutoPickers own mulligan and settings etc?
BlackOak
#423 Posted : Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:52:00 PM(UTC)
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Sorry I've not been very active the last few days been testing settings for run faster, best win ratios. but no sure if they are for everyone. But worth a look If you guys wanna try theses settings.
Code:
maxwide = 100000;
twotsamount = 25;
yes it's an insanely high maxwide, you will rope out if the boards has a lot of minions but this happens rarely for me maybe 1 in 10 games. But gain about 2 extra wins per 10 games :)

Also can I ask people not to PM with requests for mulligans, if you have a successful deck without custom rules then post it here and I'll put the time in to making the rule set.
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Xherium;31865 wrote:
What DeckRuleFile do you use for this deck, DeckRules_Rush.xlsx? and do you use AutoPickers own mulligan and settings etc?


As i said in my post, i was using blackoaks mulligans and settings for silverfish (extern AI) for the midrange secret pally. No autopick.
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BlackOak;31869 wrote:
Also can I ask people not to PM with requests for mulligans, if you have a successful deck without custom rules then post it here and I'll put the time in to making the rule set.


Same goes for me. I'm getting sick and tired of all kinds of personal exclusive help requests via pm. Post your request, it will be looked into and it will be documented so that others have use of it.

This is how we roll.

/rant
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#425 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2015 7:58:20 AM(UTC)
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Hi guys!

First of all, sorry for my bad english Im not native.

Second, I have a midrange hunter deck with nice results with the bot, it would be nice if you can create a mulligan and settings with this deck to get better result anyway. I can test it when you do this and share with you win-rate ratio.

The deck is:

2x Hunter's mark
1x Webspinner
1x Beartrap
1x Freezing trap
2x Haunted creeper
1x King's Elekk
2x Knife juggler
2x Mad scientist
2x Eaglehorn bow
2x Animal companion
2x Kill command
2x Unleash the hounds
2x Houndmaster
2x Piloted shredder
1x Loatheb
2x Sludge belcher
2x Savannah highmane
1x Dr boom

I dont know how can I help with make a custom mulligan and deck rules.
BlackOak
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@everyone added a aggro rogue data set from this thread
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#426 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2015 9:45:48 AM(UTC)

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gozadera;31879 wrote:
Hi guys!

First of all, sorry for my bad english Im not native.

Second, I have a midrange hunter deck with nice results with the bot, it would be nice if you can create a mulligan and settings with this deck to get better result anyway. I can test it when you do this and share with you win-rate ratio.

The deck is:

2x Hunter's mark
1x Webspinner
1x Beartrap
1x Freezing trap
2x Haunted creeper
1x King's Elekk
2x Knife juggler
2x Mad scientist
2x Eaglehorn bow
2x Animal companion
2x Kill command
2x Unleash the hounds
2x Houndmaster
2x Piloted shredder
1x Loatheb
2x Sludge belcher
2x Savannah highmane
1x Dr boom

I dont know how can I help with make a custom mulligan and deck rules.


Very nice, I was just thinking today that a tactical mid-range hunter might actually be a pretty cool thing to have.

So do you think you could make a separate thread about the deck plus give some initial data like at what rank it has been played, for what use (grinding gold/ladder), how many matches, possible card switches.

Thanks!
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What about this deck for Warrior (for lower ranks). Because Control War is too slow to grind, so I got an idea about making this deck work, however I dont know how, so I am posting it here :).

http://www.hearthstoneto...-season-14-face-warrior/
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So I tried out the bot for the first time yesterday and started /w mage. I was hitting 40% or so win rate so decided to swap over to hunter which was in the mid 20% range and I dropped from 9 to 16... that was fun! Anyways I decided to swap over to the mid range secredin... wow the bot does AMAZING /w this deck. I know it is a short term range, but it has gone 10-1 and got me right back to that rank 9, working fantastic. That streak finally ended /w me typing this as ran into a perfect draw hunter that ate my face.
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Janko123;31884 wrote:
What about this deck for Warrior (for lower ranks). Because Control War is too slow to grind, so I got an idea about making this deck work, however I dont know how, so I am posting it here :).

http://www.hearthstoneto...-season-14-face-warrior/


We need preferable initial data on decks which are simple and has a good win percentage, then we'll start working it into the bot.

We can't test all ideas no matter how much we want to, but rely on members to present decks ready with winrate and initial dumbed down version.


Botmaker is one guy doing silverfish, as is BlackOak mainly one guy creating datasets for silverfish. Neither gets paid one cent. Don't overburden them, instead help out, yes:)?
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Vick Nan;31883 wrote:
Very nice, I was just thinking today that a tactical mid-range hunter might actually be a pretty cool thing to have.

So do you think you could make a separate thread about the deck plus give some initial data like at what rank it has been played, for what use (grinding gold/ladder), how many matches, possible card switches.

Thanks!


Ofc. I have deleted my data, so leave me this weekend and sunday/monday I will create the thread.
omerhayyam
#434 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2015 12:37:41 PM(UTC)
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Thanks to patron nerf, everyone is playing aggro decks which is really hard for midsecret pally to counter as a bot. Or dragon priest, or fatigue warrior or handlock. All of them is really hard to play against atm. So i understand why i cant go more then rank 9 in EU. Damn warsong nerf...
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#432 Posted : Friday, October 30, 2015 1:04:52 PM(UTC)
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Vick Nan;31888 wrote:
We need preferable initial data on decks which are simple and has a good win percentage, then we'll start working it into the bot.

We can't test all ideas no matter how much we want to, but rely on members to present decks ready with winrate and initial dumbed down version.


Botmaker is one guy doing silverfish, as is BlackOak mainly one guy creating datasets for silverfish. Neither gets paid one cent. Don't overburden them, instead help out, yes:)?

Sorry, I also wanted to help, because I thought, that every class needs a rush deck to help other players grind gold and to receive golden heroes faster and I felt like Warrior really missed that one :). Didnt mean it bad :).
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