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Project: Legend - Silverfish Ladder Climb (Expert Users)
BlackOak
#239 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2015 7:53:10 PM(UTC)
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SORRY GUYS & GALS
I had a typo in aggro druid that caused the bot to discard innervate. I have fixed it and just uploaded it. Sorry again :(
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#241 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:32:14 PM(UTC)
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GJ man, thx a lot. will test it and show results of this agrodru asap.

1 thing i wanna know: is it real to make bot plan moves like turn5 fel reaver - turn 6 silence it with editing _combo.txt? Does silverfish accualy PLAN someting or just calculate best_board_turn every time (if behave = rush)?
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#240 Posted : Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:30:09 PM(UTC)

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BlackOak;31058 wrote:
SORRY GUYS & GALS
I had a typo in aggro druid that caused the bot to discard innervate. I have fixed it and just uploaded it. Sorry again :(


THanks blackoak. Will try it and will keep you guys updated.
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#242 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:02:39 AM(UTC)
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dm3d;31060 wrote:
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GJ man, thx a lot. will test it and show results of this agrodru asap.

1 thing i wanna know: is it real to make bot plan moves like turn5 fel reaver - turn 6 silence it with editing _combo.txt? Does silverfish accualy PLAN someting or just calculate best_board_turn every time (if behave = rush)?
I get asked this a lot lately _combo.txt is a simple system to tell the bot to play Card_A then Card_B.... but if you tell the bot to play fel reaver then play a silence card it should calculate the best board result for that combo but only botmaker really knows ;) but I will add it to my testing list to see if I can give it a nudge in the right direction.
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// [Push] [5] Fel Reaver (GVG_016) + [4] Keeper of the Grove (EX1_166)
GVG_016,50;EX1_166,0;bonus:100;hero:druid
GVG_016,50;nxttrn;EX1_166,0;bonusfirst:0;bonussecond:150;hero:druid

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#243 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 3:56:38 PM(UTC)
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First , I want to thank the efforts of all involved in the project . I started using the bot a few days and I'm impressed with the result.

I came to bring some thoughts on how the bot uses the aggrodruid . I used the deck manually to get rank 4 , then went back up to rank 15 to see how the bot would use the deck. But I must inform the bot uses the deck completely the wrong way , which surprised me , because it is much simpler than other decks that I have used successfully.

The mode " rush" of settings does not work. It makes countless unnecessary exchanges , particularly in a deck that should attack the face 98 % of the time. I switched to the mode " face" , but the deck makes bad decisions using Living Root to give two damage in the first round instead of invoking two creatures . And in both modes , a major problem is how the bot used the innervate , getting several times with 1 mana unused and invoking something insignificant , leading to many instances where the bot had waited one more turn to use innervate he could have made a simple but high-impact move.

If the bot use this deck in the correct way , I believe this is the best candidate in the current mategame for rank legend with the bot. I will continue to bring my analysis , and I apologize for writing problems , English is not my native language .

ps: the deck also uses the wrong way Shad of Naxx , not attacking
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#244 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 4:16:00 PM(UTC)
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estupratom;31088 wrote:
First , I want to thank the efforts of all involved in the project . I started using the bot a few days and I'm impressed with the result.

I came to bring some thoughts on how the bot uses the aggrodruid . I used the deck manually to get rank 4 , then went back up to rank 15 to see how the bot would use the deck. But I must inform the bot uses the deck completely the wrong way , which surprised me , because it is much simpler than other decks that I have used successfully.

The mode " rush" of settings does not work. It makes countless unnecessary exchanges , particularly in a deck that should attack the face 98 % of the time. I switched to the mode " face" , but the deck makes bad decisions using Living Root to give two damage in the first round instead of invoking two creatures . And in both modes , a major problem is how the bot used the innervate , getting several times with 1 mana unused and invoking something insignificant , leading to many instances where the bot had waited one more turn to use innervate he could have made a simple but high-impact move.

If the bot use this deck in the correct way , I believe this is the best candidate in the current mategame for rank legend with the bot. I will continue to bring my analysis , and I apologize for writing problems , English is not my native language .

ps: the deck also uses the wrong way Shad of Naxx , not attacking
Thanks for your input, If you see bad plays then you need to post a log on botmakers silverfish thread explaining what you expect to to play. Yeah the shades thing is annoying I've seen the same with another druid deck, I'm thinking about replacing shades with something the bot plays better.
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#246 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 5:20:58 PM(UTC)
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Well I gotta say, I am very happy with this bot and this thread. I was a bit wary of spending all my dust on mysterious challengers, but it worked out. I used emilcoff's midrange secredin with the SVN and mulligan/combo and got from rank 13 to rank 5. There were some very nice win streaks along the way, but it ended up with a solid 55.6% win rate. The deck seemed to struggle with aggro, but did generally well versus most other matchups.

Here are my stats, http://imgur.com/nbY9yf0
I'm not going to post proof because I'm paranoid as hell.

One last thanks to you guys for some fantastic work :D
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#247 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 7:52:49 PM(UTC)
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lemonhead;31093 wrote:
Well I gotta say, I am very happy with this bot and this thread. I was a bit wary of spending all my dust on mysterious challengers, but it worked out. I used emilcoff's midrange secredin with the SVN and mulligan/combo and got from rank 13 to rank 5. There were some very nice win streaks along the way, but it ended up with a solid 55.6% win rate. The deck seemed to struggle with aggro, but did generally well versus most other matchups.

Here are my stats, http://imgur.com/nbY9yf0
I'm not going to post proof because I'm paranoid as hell.

One last thanks to you guys for some fantastic work :D


Im glad you like it :D

Im working on a mage deck. But, still thinking midrange secredin is the best option for botting
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#245 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:00:03 PM(UTC)
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I spent all afternoon testing the face hunter , and most of the time the bot has played correctly.

I saw only three major problems , the first is the misuse of the Knife Jugler , where he sometimes invokes Jugler after attack with the spider or after invoking another creature . The second is the insistence of the bot to use the weapon to attack creatures that are not threats , including eggs , even the opponent being almost dead . Sometimes the bot also makes unnecessary exchanges , it should focus more on the face, making exchanges only in extreme cases . The last problem is the bad use of silence , I saw the bot using the owl to silence haunted creepers more than once , he should keep the silence for use in taunts. I am posting the logs on another topic.

Starting from rank 15 I got about 55 % win in 40 matches , getting stagnant at rank 13 .
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#248 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:54:11 PM(UTC)
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Have been testing agrodru for 90 games in cassual with behave=rush, EU, night time. was 46 wins = 51,1% wr. mostly mech mages, wr 48% (((.
imho, agrodru is not the best deck atm to grind ranks with, coz it needs some another/special logic-algorithm-behave we dont have now in silverfish. and imho no need to)

As i understood, now it's more efficient to grind with pally) thanks again, dear emilcoff <3.

BTW, nice to see new faces here)
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#73 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 5:38:10 AM(UTC)
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oijkn;30138 wrote:
Hi my friend,

Here is another Secredin deck with win-rate 55% over 100 games ranked (actually rank 5) but without Tirion Fordring.

Actually i use your _mulligan.txt with settings.txt tweaked :)

Deck :
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Competitive Spirit
Mysterious Challenger x 2
Truesilver Champion x 2
Redemption
Blessing of Kings x 2
Ragnaros the Firelord
Noble Sacrifice x 2
Secretkeeper x 2
Consecration
Knife Juggler x 2
Repentance
Divine Favor
Avenge x 2
Haunted Creeper
Loatheb
Shielded Minibot x 2
Coghammer
Muster for Battle x 2
Piloted Shredder x 2
Dr. Boom


Perhaps you can add it in your second post :)

Regards.


Really interested in getting this deck worked out as I've seen it prior to your post. Looks like a promising deck. Alas, I am a newb to this bot & silverfish and don't know where any of the files from OP goes to. Searched the forums but I'm honestly stumped. Sorry for the stupid question but is there a simplified tutorial or video showcasing how mulligan settings are put in?
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#74 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 6:39:08 AM(UTC)

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K00S;31110 wrote:
Really interested in getting this deck worked out as I've seen it prior to your post. Looks like a promising deck. Alas, I am a newb to this bot & silverfish and don't know where any of the files from OP goes to. Searched the forums but I'm honestly stumped. Sorry for the stupid question but is there a simplified tutorial or video showcasing how mulligan settings are put in?



1. Create _mulligan.txt document in silverfish folder. 2. Paste the material into said document. 3. ????? 4. Profit

/ot
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#249 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 6:44:57 AM(UTC)
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i dont know why my paladin never uses his weapon from muster for batlle to atk the enemy
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#75 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 6:50:30 AM(UTC)
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Vick Nan;31111 wrote:
1. Create _mulligan.txt document in silverfish folder. 2. Paste the material into said document. 3. ????? 4. Profit

/ot


So I copy and paste everything from combo.txt, mulligan.txt, & settings.txt into into one text file?
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#76 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 6:57:13 AM(UTC)

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K00S;31116 wrote:
So I copy and paste everything from combo.txt, mulligan.txt, & settings.txt into into one text file?


no, they obviously are separate documents;), hence the ".txt" at the ending of each. You asked specifically for what to do with "mulligan.txt", not all of them.
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#77 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 6:59:03 AM(UTC)
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Vick Nan;31118 wrote:
no, they obviously are separate documents;), hence the ".txt" at the ending of each. You asked specifically for what to do with "mulligan.txt", not all of them.


My bad. What do I do with the rest of them?
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K00S;31119 wrote:
My bad. What do I do with the rest of them?


I'm not like judging you or something, just trying to be specific. You do the same thing with all three documents. Create into silverfish folder and copypaste the text/code into them

From here on you should be able to figure it out. I'm a bit wary of clogging up this important thread you know


Anyone else in the same situation who is reading this, don't post in the project legend thread but find the right subforum and thread there

Again, not judging, noone has to say "my bad" or shit like that

@BlackOak
There seems to be confusion to some extent about the docs actually having to be made, instead of modifying already existing ones
Maybe write a line in the OP saying this
I, too, needed awhile to wrap my head around having to create a document for a bot that I know f*ckall about
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#251 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 8:43:37 AM(UTC)

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keima97;31113 wrote:
i dont know why my paladin never uses his weapon from muster for batlle to atk the enemy


go to settings.txt change first line to 30

enfacehp = 30; // hp of enemy when your hero is allowed to attack the enemy face with his weapon
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#79 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 9:00:11 AM(UTC)
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Vick Nan;31122 wrote:
I'm not like judging you or something, just trying to be specific. You do the same thing with all three documents. Create into silverfish folder and copypaste the text/code into them

From here on you should be able to figure it out. I'm a bit wary of clogging up this important thread you know


Anyone else in the same situation who is reading this, don't post in the project legend thread but find the right subforum and thread there

Again, not judging, noone has to say "my bad" or shit like that

@BlackOak
There seems to be confusion to some extent about the docs actually having to be made, instead of modifying already existing ones
Maybe write a line in the OP saying this
I, too, needed awhile to wrap my head around having to create a document for a bot that I know f*ckall about
Yeah sorry I made the assumption that people read other threads I'll try and write a bit more information ( never been good at the written word :P )
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#250 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2015 9:11:49 AM(UTC)

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keima97;31113 wrote:
i dont know why my paladin never uses his weapon from muster for batlle to atk the enemy


I noticed it as well. Bot should always attack face.
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